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Vanity: settin up a web server
7/29/2006 | chuckles

Posted on 07/28/2006 10:28:58 PM PDT by chuckles

This is going to sound wierd. I need to set up a way for my in-laws to get on the net. Their provider went belly up and they don't have the bucks for DirecTV. They are in the armpit of communication hell. They have a '98 box with dial up and I have and XP box with DSL. My long distance is free.

I need to set them up somehow where I can call THEM on their modem and have it answer when they are ready to log on and use MY DSL connection. If they call me it's long distance charges. I have a router and a DSL modem. I also have a dial up modem if needed. I don't see any other way to get into my network. I want to set it up where they get a DCHP from my router and it would be just like they were on my network. My biggest problem is figuring out how to set it up where I call THEM, instead of the other way around.

If you can help, please put it in detail. I'm more of a hardware kinda guy.

BTW, for all those that want to evade the question with People PC, Net Zero, etc, none, nobody, nada, serve the particular area they live. They would have to move about 5 miles to get out of the phone co. they have and they are too old to move. The only other solution I can come up with is start my own Internet service and go broke like the others that have served this God forsaken place.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: internetprovider; microsoft; server; windows
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1 posted on 07/28/2006 10:29:00 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles

Where do they live?


2 posted on 07/28/2006 10:33:06 PM PDT by paulat
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To: chuckles

I believe some modems support something called callback. The other option is having them connect to dial up with your DSL account (I believe SBC DSL provides free dial up for DSL users).


3 posted on 07/28/2006 10:36:16 PM PDT by M1 Garand 30-06
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To: chuckles
The basic concept is good, but you've got it backwards on who-dials-who.

Set up a PPP server at your place (perhaps a Linux box) that they dial to, then share your DSL connection.

4 posted on 07/28/2006 10:44:04 PM PDT by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: chuckles

I'm sure God blesses anyone who does something nice for their in-laws.

My rancher friends out in the sticks all connect through their satellite dishes and are extremely happy with the service. Why go through all the trouble of routers, networks, etc. when you could spend the same money just helping them with the satellite bill?


5 posted on 07/28/2006 10:45:01 PM PDT by JennysCool (Roll out the Canarble Wagon!)
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To: chuckles

I missed the part about long distance charges. Back to the drawing board.


6 posted on 07/28/2006 10:48:21 PM PDT by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: HAL9000

So, set up the PPP server at THEIR place.


7 posted on 07/28/2006 10:53:29 PM PDT by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: chuckles
What you want to set up is called in the Microsoft world a RAS connection. Not sure if Windows 98 supports it explicitly but you should be able to get it to work.

You need to set up the auto-answer feature of the modem, so that when you dial them, it picks up. Then you probably will need to figure out how to handle PPP setup.

An alternative would be for you to give them a second machine running Linux - then you set up the Linux box to do the routing and Win98 just talks over ethernet to the Linux box.

8 posted on 07/28/2006 10:55:00 PM PDT by ikka
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Win98 PPP Server HOWTO

Good luck.

9 posted on 07/28/2006 10:57:03 PM PDT by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: ShadowAce

Tech Support Ping???


10 posted on 07/28/2006 10:57:51 PM PDT by Kaylee Frye
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To: HAL9000

Those instructions speak of a null modem, but you'd want to use a real modem for this application. The main thing seems to be the "Install Dialup Server" part.


11 posted on 07/28/2006 11:00:11 PM PDT by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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Everything sounds good except the null modem cable would be 40 miles long. I need to figure out how to dial their modem and have it answer just like in hyperterm, but then have their browser look to that connection for the web. The vanilla setup is THEY call me to setup their connection, but that involves long distance. Once I get a handshake from their modem and everything is talking, the browser can't use that conection unless Dial up networking set it up. If I use hyperterm, or some other com program, it looks busy to the browser.
12 posted on 07/28/2006 11:17:00 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: JennysCool

My long distance is free. DirecTV is about $60 a month without TV. I gave them the computer and paid for their service until it went out of business,.....twice. I already have the DSL, routers, and 3 computer network at my house. If I have to pay $60 a month so they can check lotto numbers and look up the latest medicare program, then I'll repo the puter.


13 posted on 07/28/2006 11:22:18 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: M1 Garand 30-06

I remember something like "call back" but don't know if it's hardware or software. Once the connection is negotiated, how do you get the browser to look there?


14 posted on 07/28/2006 11:24:27 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: HAL9000
IBM 42H4601 Remote Dial In Access LAN Server
15 posted on 07/28/2006 11:25:22 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: chuckles
I think the starting point is to install the Windows 98 Dialup Server on their machine, which should allow you to dial to them. Apparently, it's on the Win98 installation disc.

After that, you'll have to figure out if Windows XP has routing tables that you can configure to allow them to share your DSL connection.

The key thing is to use PPP protocol for the dialup connection, not DHCP.

16 posted on 07/28/2006 11:30:51 PM PDT by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: ikka

RAS still has to have them dial out, I believe. I will look into it.

I used to have a linux box router(Freesco) but got rid of it when I got DSL. If I put it at their house, it would dial me, ....again wrong direction. If I could fix the Freesco box to answer instead of dial out, you may have something. My problem is I can't spell linux. I'll have to go back through the setup to see if it can answer instead of dial out. If so,.... we have a winner!


17 posted on 07/28/2006 11:31:33 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: advance_copy

I have an old Sonic PPP server appliance here, gathering dust.


18 posted on 07/28/2006 11:33:06 PM PDT by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: HAL9000

Sonic PPP Server?!? Yowza. You truly are a Mac-unit. What would your parents say?


19 posted on 07/28/2006 11:40:17 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: chuckles

Ha! I getcha!


20 posted on 07/28/2006 11:43:07 PM PDT by JennysCool (Roll out the Canarble Wagon!)
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