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To: shrinkermd

Reality isn't hostage to the psychoses of individuals. Science deals with what we can know. It doeas with it very effectively and accumulates reliable knowledge.

What you call faith is indeed a private matter, and arrives at no consensus over time. Faiths tend to splinter rather than converge.


73 posted on 07/23/2006 12:57:17 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: js1138
Reality isn't hostage to the psychoses of individuals. Science deals with what we can know. It does with it very effectively and accumulates reliable knowledge

Where you and I differ is you assume that Evolution including random generation of life, random mutation into desirable attributes and, finally, natural selection weeding out the unfit. This is a theory, hypothesis or assumption. It is not IMHO scientific fact. From my perspective if you assume it is scientific fact it is no different than a Christian assuming the virgin birth of Christ. Both require faith and cannot be disproved on the basis of facts and scientific inference.

I am not belittling your beliefs just noting their commonality with other beliefs.

74 posted on 07/23/2006 1:05:24 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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Re 73: What you call faith is indeed a private matter, and arrives at no consensus over time. Faiths tend to splinter rather than converge.

This is an excellent point. Science converges on a good theory, and evolution is a fine example, supported by data and measurements, hard facts, from physics and astronomy; chemistry and biochemistry; biology and genetics; geology and palentology; medical science and anatomy.

Religion has splintered ever more with every decade. Today there are some 189 different sects in the USA alone. Catholics into a dozen or so, Eastern, Marionite, Roman, etc. Protestants into more than 120 denominations, and they schism more every year. Judaism is divided into a half-dozen different groups. In the years since Darwin alone, whole new denominations have sprung up: Mormons, Christian Scientists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, and countless cults. There is obviously no convergence of belief amongst churches or believers in the supernatural.

Science has no "sects" or "denominations". There is no Jewish science, no Christian science, no Islamic science, no Hindu science. There is also no American science, no Chinese science, no Brazilian science. Science is just what can be consistently observed, what logically fits together to make a coherent picture, what can be predicted and tested.

ID has none of these characteristics. Re 73: What you call faith is indeed a private matter, and arrives at no consensus over time. Faiths tend to splinter rather than converge.

This is an excellent point. Science converges on a good theory, and evolution is a fine example, supported by data and measurements, hard facts, from physics and astronomy; chemistry and biochemistry; biology and genetics; geology and palentology; medical science and anatomy.

Religion has splintered ever more with every decade. Today there are some 189 different sects in the USA alone. Catholics into a dozen or so, Eastern, Marionite, Roman, etc. Protestants into more than 120 denominations, and they schism more every year. In the years since Darwin alone, whole new denominations have sprung up: Mormons, Christian Scientists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, and countless cults. There is obviously no convergence of belief amongst churches or believers in the supernatural.

Science has no "sects" or "denominations". There is no Jewish science, no Christian science, no Islamic science, no Hindu science. There is also no American science, no Chinese science, no Brazilian science. Science is just what can be consistently observed, what logically fits together to make a coherent picture, what can be predicted and tested.

ID has none of these characteristics.

181 posted on 07/23/2006 5:56:31 PM PDT by thomaswest (Just curious)
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