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To: js1138; shrinkermd
Re 73: What you call faith is indeed a private matter, and arrives at no consensus over time. Faiths tend to splinter rather than converge.

This is an excellent point. Science converges on a good theory, and evolution is a fine example, supported by data and measurements, hard facts, from physics and astronomy; chemistry and biochemistry; biology and genetics; geology and palentology; medical science and anatomy.

Religion has splintered ever more with every decade. Today there are some 189 different sects in the USA alone. Catholics into a dozen or so, Eastern, Marionite, Roman, etc. Protestants into more than 120 denominations, and they schism more every year. Judaism is divided into a half-dozen different groups. In the years since Darwin alone, whole new denominations have sprung up: Mormons, Christian Scientists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, and countless cults. There is obviously no convergence of belief amongst churches or believers in the supernatural.

Science has no "sects" or "denominations". There is no Jewish science, no Christian science, no Islamic science, no Hindu science. There is also no American science, no Chinese science, no Brazilian science. Science is just what can be consistently observed, what logically fits together to make a coherent picture, what can be predicted and tested.

ID has none of these characteristics. Re 73: What you call faith is indeed a private matter, and arrives at no consensus over time. Faiths tend to splinter rather than converge.

This is an excellent point. Science converges on a good theory, and evolution is a fine example, supported by data and measurements, hard facts, from physics and astronomy; chemistry and biochemistry; biology and genetics; geology and palentology; medical science and anatomy.

Religion has splintered ever more with every decade. Today there are some 189 different sects in the USA alone. Catholics into a dozen or so, Eastern, Marionite, Roman, etc. Protestants into more than 120 denominations, and they schism more every year. In the years since Darwin alone, whole new denominations have sprung up: Mormons, Christian Scientists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, and countless cults. There is obviously no convergence of belief amongst churches or believers in the supernatural.

Science has no "sects" or "denominations". There is no Jewish science, no Christian science, no Islamic science, no Hindu science. There is also no American science, no Chinese science, no Brazilian science. Science is just what can be consistently observed, what logically fits together to make a coherent picture, what can be predicted and tested.

ID has none of these characteristics.

181 posted on 07/23/2006 5:56:31 PM PDT by thomaswest (Just curious)
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To: thomaswest
Science has no "sects" or "denominations". There is no Jewish science, no Christian science, no Islamic science, no Hindu science. There is also no American science, no Chinese science, no Brazilian science. Science is just what can be consistently observed, what logically fits together to make a coherent picture, what can be predicted and tested.

One of the interesting characteristics of science is that enormous imformation is contained in the simple announcement that something can be done. For example, the fact that an atomic bomb has been successfully tested is worth more than the lab notes of the people involved. this is true in many areas of science. Anyone can confirm anything if they understand what is claimed.

183 posted on 07/23/2006 6:12:38 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: thomaswest
...There is no Jewish science, no Christian science...

Depends who you ask. Hitler thought that relativity theory was Jewish science, and Stalin thought that darwinian evolution was bourgeois idealism.

313 posted on 07/24/2006 3:49:51 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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