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To: shrinkermd

You're not really bringing up Piltdown are you?

Piltdown proves that Scientific rigor will eventually identify frauds (and that one was a simple one for money).

Religion OTOH has no such rigor. Just ask the cash-masters at the "Church" of Scientology.

You really don't want to go down the road of hoaxes. There have been more hoaxes successfully perpetrated in the name if religion than ever in science -- and science tells the truth about its hoaxes.

Piltdown is an example of successful science.


264 posted on 07/24/2006 10:27:33 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (A Conservative will die for individual freedom. A Liberal will kill you for the good of society.)
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To: freedumb2003
I am sorry you feel the way you do. Most assuredly, people of faith cannot prove their case using a null hypothesis and a statistical margin of error. We do not claim to do so.

Unfortunately, you have assumed two things. First, you assume that Evolution is not a theory but a fact, and a scientifically proved fact as well. The simplest test requires the ability to prove your hypothesis wrong. There is nothing in this thread that could be rigorously and scientifically tested.

Second, you assume people who are not convinced of the fact of evolution are somehow all primitive Neanderthals who are superstitious and unfamiliar with logic and scientific rigor.

Please do remember Carl Linnaeus determined similar phyla in the late 18th century. He was the father of taxonomy. Also remember, for as long as we have recorded history man has bred animals and plants to obtain better varieties of the same species. Both Linnaeus and human experience saw relationships between species and the possibility of changing phenotype by controlling for the genotype.

Insofar as I can determine the core beliefs of Darwinism include: (1)Spontaneous occurrence of life by chance; (2)Mutations that provide new species and phyla; (3)Natural selection results in the survival of the fittest (this seems to be a form of circular reasoning); (4)And, all of the above are spontaneous, unplanned and of unquestioned validity.

You have a right to your assumptions and opinions. I am still awaiting one experiment showing a new species evolving out of an older one. To date no one has so observed. All the photographed skulls, horse progression pictures and so forth are nothing more than an assumption one led to another.

Even when Darwin wrote his masterful work Christians had experienced the enlightenment and were inclined to rate some old testament stories as examples of truth clouded by myth. For many of us evolution does not challenge our faith but we do note that environmentalism is a form of faith and is the current faith taught in our schools and colleges.

We are not as stupid and superstitious as you presume.

278 posted on 07/24/2006 11:26:10 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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