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To: A0ri
Amazing. You have described an "intelligent" aspect to the world's design. That is what we call ID.

That may be what YOU call ID, but what the ID movement leaders like Wells, Johnson, Behe and Dembski call ID is very different. They assert that there are some aspects of life that CANNOT have developed through purely natural processes, and therefore required the direct intervention of God.

As Ken Miller points out, correctly, the phrase "intelligent design" is really a misnomer, because it identifies a movement that asserts the universe WAS NOT designed intelligently enough for life to evolve without direct divine intervention.

So, for what it's worth, yes, I (and a lot of Christian scientists) believe that the universe and its physical laws were intelligently designed so that life, as well as the human body, would eventually come about through purely natural processes.

But that is not "intelligent design" as it is defined by the leaders of the movement that bears the name.

336 posted on 07/23/2006 7:05:01 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity

From dictionary.com,

Main Entry: intelligent design
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: a theory that nature and complex biological structures were designed by intelligent beings and were not created by chance; abbr. ID

What is it about God created, that doesn't click with you folk?


339 posted on 07/23/2006 7:10:53 PM PDT by A0ri
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To: curiosity; A0ri
Well, curiosity just helped me kill the cat. ;)

A0ri, you are now on record agreeing with my definition of God's influence on the Universe.

And, since I was crystal clear, it means you have put yourself in a position where you either have to admit you don't understand what ID is or become a proponent of TTOE.

Or you can say you didn't understand what you were agreeing to (I am quite magnanimous). But then you have to determine which part of my definition fails.

I will even accept a prima facie argument (I am magnanimous).

Nice pick up curiosity!
348 posted on 07/23/2006 7:18:57 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (A Conservative will die for individual freedom. A Liberal will kill you for the good of society.)
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