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Darwinian Conservatism: How Darwinian science refutes the Left’s most sacred beliefs.
The American Thinker ^ | 23 July 2006 | Jamie Glazov and Larry Arnhart

Posted on 07/23/2006 8:49:26 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: steve-b

Lamarckian biology was not "Intelligent Design."

It was a theory that acquired traits induced by changes in the environment could be inherited by the offspring of an organism, as opposed to Darwinism which states that inherited traits arise only at random.

Commies loved Lamarck because it could be used to back up their social engineering projects. Humans could be improved, in an inheritable way, simply by changing their environment.


41 posted on 07/23/2006 9:59:55 AM PDT by Restorer
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To: PatrickHenry

I didn't say that he advocated extermination of inferior races. However, what he viewed as its inevitability didn't seem to bother him much either.


42 posted on 07/23/2006 10:02:00 AM PDT by Restorer
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To: GarySpFc

Perhaps you could support your claims with evidence rather than merely offering rhetoric.


43 posted on 07/23/2006 10:06:16 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Restorer
I didn't say that he advocated extermination of inferior races. However, what he viewed as its inevitability didn't seem to bother him much either.

He saw it happening. The Europeans were exploring the world, and the savage tribes on isolated islands were rapidly dying off. Partly from disease, partly from poachers on their lands. Partly from who knows what. But it was happening worldwide, and it was quite visible. Yet there was no organized campaign of extermination, and least of all was anything like that advocated by Darwin. He was an observer. Stridently anti-slavery too.

44 posted on 07/23/2006 10:07:38 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (The Enlightenment gave us individual rights, free enterprise, and the theory of evolution.)
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To: lilylangtree
"Just read in Friday's local paper on an article that there are 35 million reasons why humanity didn't evolve from chimps and that scientists have turned elsewhere to explain humanity's evolution.

Either the paper published poor information or you misunderstood the article. Could you link to the article or reproduce what it says here?

Btw, no biologist claims we evolved from modern Chimps. We share a common ancestor and have both diverged from that point. Because of this it is misleading to measure the distance between humans and chimps, the differences have to be measured from the common ancestor. This minimally divides the distance between modern humans and modern chimps by two. It may be that chimps differ from the common ancestor more than we do, or the opposite may be true.

The acceptance of our common ancestor with chimps is pretty much universal among biologists. (Some claim the Gorilla and a very few the Orang. as our nearest relative)

45 posted on 07/23/2006 10:08:39 AM PDT by b_sharp (Why bother with a tagline? Even they eventually wear out! (Second Law of Taglines))
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To: GarySpFc

And Henry Morris himself was a racist poopy head, with his belief that "the children of Ham" were natarul servants.


46 posted on 07/23/2006 10:10:15 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (A brute kills for pleasure. A fool kills from hate - Robert A Heinlein)
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To: Restorer
However, Darwinists today try to explain not only the emergence of life from non-living matter, but some even try to use the theory to deny the possibility of God being involved in the creation of the Universe.

mmmm, not al of us.

God IS the universe. Darwin is merely a grain of sand.

47 posted on 07/23/2006 10:10:26 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: tallhappy
Hey man "Darwinists" do not want rationality or actual inquiry any more than any kneejerk fundamentalist.

Please support this claim with evidence.
48 posted on 07/23/2006 10:12:55 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio
For instance, Darwin himself carefully avoided any attempt to explain how life came into being, as opposed to the differention of species in existing life forms. However, Darwinists today try to explain not only the emergence of life from non-living matter, but some even try to use the theory to deny the possibility of God being involved in the creation of the Universe.

------------------- Wile it is true that a few scientists opine in this fashion and many dishonest creationists claim that the above is actually a part of the theory of evolution, the theory itself makes no such statements on either subject.

Dimensio if main stream scientists does accepts that evolution does not "explain how life came into being"... what area of science it is looking in to what that non-evolution life creating means is and if so does it continue to operate in parallel to evolution

(it would be illogical to assume that if there was a non-evolution life creation it would happen only once and only once,,, this would seen to open the possibility to several non-evolution created species)...

49 posted on 07/23/2006 10:13:04 AM PDT by tophat9000 (If it was illegal French Canadians would La Raza back them? Racist back their race over country)
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To: labette
propose a simple test we can make. Keep a notepad with you while driving.Whenever you see this on the back of a car [the "Darwin" fish (ichthus)]Check the bumper for stickers indicating political affiliation.Be sure to keep an honest score now!

That's a great idea! Let's determine what the content of 150 years of modern biology is by taking a poll of the citizenry's bumper stickers!

No where else in the world do Conservatives have the anti-science stance which a small (but rather vocal) group of American social conservatives do. It's a pity, because we are otherwise all natural allies over issues of substance.

50 posted on 07/23/2006 10:14:27 AM PDT by ToryHeartland (English Football -- no discernable planning whatsoever.)
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To: Restorer
In power, of course, the two ideologies function very similarly.

Perhaps because evil and power hungry people camouflage themselves with trendy ideas.

51 posted on 07/23/2006 10:15:49 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: Dimensio
Perhaps you could support your claims with evidence rather than merely offering rhetoric.

I will be more than happy to offer solid evidence right after you offer solid evidence for evolution instead of empty rhetoric.
52 posted on 07/23/2006 10:16:50 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: Restorer
It was a theory that acquired traits induced by changes in the environment deliberately chosen by an organism could be inherited

Fixed it for you.

Yep, it's an early form of Intelligent Design.

53 posted on 07/23/2006 10:18:16 AM PDT by steve-b ("Creation Science" is to the religous right what "Global Warming" is to the socialist left.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Very interesting point of view.


54 posted on 07/23/2006 10:26:15 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: PatrickHenry
In Ann Coulter’s book, she misses this point entirely.

Both Rush and Coulter, I feel, are pandering to what they construe to be our base when they make anti evolutionary statements...in fact Rush has talked, on his show, about the dinosaurs millions of years ago...so he plays both sides of the fence. as much as I love Ann for the most part, I have become disheartened with this aspect.

55 posted on 07/23/2006 10:26:42 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Bigh4u2

Well said. Ditto


56 posted on 07/23/2006 10:26:48 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: tophat9000
Dimensio if main stream scientists does accepts that evolution does not "explain how life came into being"... what area of science it is looking in to what that non-evolution life creating means

The study of abiogenesis is handled by biologists.

is and if so does it continue to operate in parallel to evolution

Do you mean the study of the subject or the process itself?
57 posted on 07/23/2006 10:35:48 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: GarySpFc

Your refusal to support your claim is noted.


58 posted on 07/23/2006 10:39:09 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Restorer
"If various modern concepts regarding the origin of life and the universe can be referred to as Darwinian, "

They aren't. At least not by science.

The only group (or group of groups) that claim the BB and Abiogenesis as 'Darwinian' are those that have a vested interest in denouncing biological evolution. The origin of the universe has nothing to do with Evolution and until Abiogenesis can show Darwinian mechanisms worked on pre/proto-life we would be jumping the gun to include it in the study of Evolution.

The 'survival of the fittest' description of natural selection was put forward by Herbert Spencer (the philosopher who is credited with Social Darwinism) as a metaphor. It is not used by biologists. The Darwinian version of the metaphor, had Darwin actually coined the phrase would have been 'survival of the reproductively fittest'. In this modified version, the cooperation within a species, even the cooperation between species has just as much an effect (or more) as the struggle between groups. Human cooperation is as much a Darwinian feature as human struggle. In fact our development of morals against Hitlerian style violence is very much Darwinian.

Since several selection pressures are active in any population, singling one out as somehow 'special', especially when it is countered by a second, is at best silly and at worst manipulative and dishonest.

That being said, science, because of the necessity to control as many variables as possible, needs to examine each selection type individually.

There is a big difference between scientifically examining one mechanism at a time and using a single mechanism to justify political action.

59 posted on 07/23/2006 10:43:19 AM PDT by b_sharp (Why bother with a tagline? Even they eventually wear out! (Second Law of Taglines))
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To: Dimensio

I spent years trying to reason with atheistic brick walls to no avail.


60 posted on 07/23/2006 10:44:06 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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