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1 posted on 07/19/2006 2:05:02 PM PDT by tomzz
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Gun ownership is pointless when you're dealing with people who aren't responsible enough to use them, and aren't bright enough to know when to you them. In general, the more urbanized a nation becomes, the more people will tend to lose their sense of responsibility for themselves.

On a per-capita basis, Iraq is probably one of the most heavily-armed nations in the world -- and has a social order that is nearly incapable of enforcing any laws anyway even if guns were technically "illegal." That hasn't kept much of the country from descending into the kind of utter chaos that makes U.S. cities like Detroit and Washington D.C. look like havens of personal virtue and civic order.

2 posted on 07/19/2006 2:10:52 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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Putting this issue in this form puts the cart before the horse.

The rights expressed in the Bill of Rights are rooted in the Bible. Those rights are *unalienable* and come from the Creator, not from any political statement or body of men. As citizens express their understanding of the rights the Creator gives them, that manifests itself in a social contract.

The founders did not want to set up a theocracy, yet they expected that people would express their understanding of God's will in how they voted and what issues they presented to their government.

The Second Amendment is worthless without a society that is committed to the principles that underlay all the other Amendments, but far more broadly with respect to how people generally expect to relate to their fellow citizens.

When the Second Amendment was written, most people not only had read the King James version of the Bible, most were very familiar with many of its passages. Today, only a fraction of citizens have read the Bible through, let alone can recall any of it from memory. Hence, the Bible's values are disappearing from our political discourse.

Having a Bill of Rights without understanding the values that vivified that document is like trying to understand the function of the top story of a building without having access to any of the lower floors.

Where a society does not appreciate the sanctity of life, it will not define murder as opposed to self defense. A firearm becomes a tool in the hands of anyone who bears it, a tool for good or for evil. We have a basic problem when one society defines good in terms of the destruction of an entire race of people. Such a society cannot understand the Second Amendment any more than it can understand that a people form a government to "secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity", especially when the demands of the umma and sharia are considered more important than any Constitution.
4 posted on 07/19/2006 2:30:18 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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