Where did they disagree? Rustbucket's figures show that not only is the southron claim that the south paid the majority of the tariff false, tariff revenue grew during the war in real terms, and remained at roughly the same levels when factoring in inflation. Without the southern consumers which y'all claim provided the majority of revenue, and without southren exports which y'all claim provided the bulk of the imports. Figures provided by DomainMasteer back up rustbucket's post, and figures provided by Lincoln show that revenues in 1864 were almost twice those in 1860. So if my 'fellow posters' disagree with anyone it's you and your southron myths.
...but your referencing his remarks shows that you know very well that Southerners spent a good deal of time debating the proposition that the Union was a one-way street, or proposed to become a one-way street, in which the North would take advantage of the South economically.
I've mentioned two speeches by Stephens, actually. In the one you seem to be thinking of, Stephens mentioned the tariff only to rebut Toombs' contention that they were an issue. Stephens pointed out that the tariffs were as low as the southern lawmakers had wanted them to be, and that if the south hung together they would remain that way. In the other speechs I quoted from, Stephens is pointing out how the South had basically run the show for most of the nation's history and could continue to do so in the future. So Stephens seems to be contradicting you rather than contradicting me.
And not just on the slavery question -- your and the Red historians' politically-motivated, Clintonoid "contextualizing" gainsay utterly notwithstanding.
Marxist AND liberal, with a womanizing Southern boob of a president thrown in for good measure. Damn, you're on a roll tonight.
Stephens was a Southern Whig, and so he approved of tariffs.
Stephens pointed out that the tariffs were as low as the southern lawmakers had wanted them to be, and that if the south hung together they would remain that way.
Yes, he said that. He was also dreaming. He must have seen what Lincoln would do, and he evidently thought it was a good thing. Although he didn't say so.
In the other speechs I quoted from, Stephens is pointing out how the South had basically run the show for most of the nation's history and could continue to do so in the future. So Stephens seems to be contradicting you rather than contradicting me.
Yes, he's contradicting me, and he was also dreaming. He probably didn't realize that Lincoln was determined to break the deadlock in the Senate by creating new States with the sword if necessary, or with his pen.
Stephens was wrong. The South was toast. I'd have tried to do it Stephens's way, and I've often thought he was right about staying in the Union to fight a rearguard action against the Machine. But further reflection on Lincoln's zeal for extraconstitutional night moves has led me to doubt that Stephens had his arms around the political problem the South faced.
Point of clarification, non-seq. As my post 288 showed, tariff revenue was depressed during the war in real terms compared to 1860. It inched up slightly in real terms during the war for a couple of years but remained below its 1860 level.