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"if you can't change the government, leave the country. Or in even simpler terms a child would understand.... Don't like the rules of the game, take your ball and go home. Of course if you are going to lose and lose badly because your cause is WRONG, remember to do it with honor, so you can celebrate how well you lost for the next 140 years."

Now I understand why they call you one of "Uncle Sam's MISGUIDED Children". You're comment shows how ignorant you are about what the Founders believed and where our basic American ideals come from. Go back and read the first two paragraphs of the Declaration of Independence. Then study up on your history of the years leading up to the War of Supression - then we'll chat.

I love these threads because all the so called "Real Southerners" constantly tell me how I don't know squat about the real south because I don't repeat verbatim their talking points or what they have been lead to believe by a core group of wannabee new confederacy leaders.

Take for instance, my old buddy STAND WATIE, who when I related that I used to work at the Confederate Museum in New Orleans, claimed that he used to work there as well as a researcher while he was attending Tulane University.

I exposed him as a fraud by asking a simple question about Generals Lee and Beauregard, a simple question anyone familiar with The museum, Confederate monuments and New Orleans should have been able to answer easily, but which confounded STAND WATIE to the point of utter mental meltdown, especially when I revealed that the Confederate Museum was on Lee Circle and in the very shadow of one of the tallest monuments and statues of General Lee in the South and that STAND WATIE didn't even know it was there.

I maintain that if I ever wanted to troll this board and disrupt it by painting it as a haven for racists, I would claim to be a true confederate patriot and a devoted member of the SCV and post as many pro-confederacy threads as I could find. Simple logic here, one does not troll by looking for support, one trolls by angering people that believe that they always right and forcing them into positions where their hypocrisy can be exposed.

That is if I wanted to troll this board....and I don't.

Now I was going to originally use this post to point out that no where in the Constitution does it tell us how slaves are created legally, or by what standards are people deemed to be slaves instead of citizens by birth, and that if one reads the documents of the Founders (Declaration of Independence, Constitution, etc, etc,) they never define who can become a slave, by what means they are made a slave or even the term slave itself.

So I'll ask these questions of all you "real southerners" and you all know who you are,

show me where in the documents of our founding fathers that they:

defined slavery,
defined the legal process of enslaving a human being,
defined which races may be enslaved,
defined the reasons for deciding who is a citizen and who is a slave
defined which laws were punishable by permanent enslavement
defined which laws prior to the civil war freed slaves based upon the merit of their actions or conditions

Of course all you "Real Southerners" can answer easily these questions, and I expect you to since they are very basis of all your arguments concerning the civil war is that slavery was "legal" in this country from the beginning. Surely you can provide those laws that defined slavery as it once was as a legal entity based upon the documents and laws that were written by the Founding Fathers.

I'm not asking you to prove what I know of the south and slavery, only to prove what you know, surely that is not too much to ask, is it?

and if it is too much to ask of you, then kindly put away your confederate flags and uniforms and talk about beer, guns, and pcik up trucks instead those things you are not really experts in.