I exposed him as a fraud by asking a simple question about Generals Lee and Beauregard, a simple question anyone familiar with The museum, Confederate monuments and New Orleans should have been able to answer easily, but which confounded STAND WATIE to the point of utter mental meltdown, especially when I revealed that the Confederate Museum was on Lee Circle and in the very shadow of one of the tallest monuments and statues of General Lee in the South and that STAND WATIE didn't even know it was there.
I maintain that if I ever wanted to troll this board and disrupt it by painting it as a haven for racists, I would claim to be a true confederate patriot and a devoted member of the SCV and post as many pro-confederacy threads as I could find. Simple logic here, one does not troll by looking for support, one trolls by angering people that believe that they always right and forcing them into positions where their hypocrisy can be exposed.
That is if I wanted to troll this board....and I don't.
Now I was going to originally use this post to point out that no where in the Constitution does it tell us how slaves are created legally, or by what standards are people deemed to be slaves instead of citizens by birth, and that if one reads the documents of the Founders (Declaration of Independence, Constitution, etc, etc,) they never define who can become a slave, by what means they are made a slave or even the term slave itself.
So I'll ask these questions of all you "real southerners" and you all know who you are,
show me where in the documents of our founding fathers that they:
defined slavery,
defined the legal process of enslaving a human being,
defined which races may be enslaved,
defined the reasons for deciding who is a citizen and who is a slave
defined which laws were punishable by permanent enslavement
defined which laws prior to the civil war freed slaves based upon the merit of their actions or conditions
Of course all you "Real Southerners" can answer easily these questions, and I expect you to since they are very basis of all your arguments concerning the civil war is that slavery was "legal" in this country from the beginning. Surely you can provide those laws that defined slavery as it once was as a legal entity based upon the documents and laws that were written by the Founding Fathers.
I'm not asking you to prove what I know of the south and slavery, only to prove what you know, surely that is not too much to ask, is it?
and if it is too much to ask of you, then kindly put away your confederate flags and uniforms and talk about beer, guns, and pcik up trucks instead those things you are not really experts in.
and frankly, i DOUBT that he ever worked at the NOLA Confederate Museum, especially if he started "spouting off" all of his south-HATING, SCALAWAG, REVISIONIST bilge.
fwiw, "cobra" going over to DO research at a museum is NOT being a "researcher" AT a museum. "researchers" are USUALLY paid staff members.
i was just a "poli sci" grad student at Tulane.
free diixe,sw
What I know of slavery is this - at the time of the ratification of the Constitution it WAS legal and the Conbstitution DID NOT provide any basis to make it illegal. The abolitionists all got their noses up due to the part of the DOI (Dec. of Indep) where it states "We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal". Slavery in and of itself was an onerous thing and the South was trying to figure out how to do away with it. The major problems the slave owners faced was what to do with the slaves once they were emancipated as the slave owners were still legally responsible for their welfare (training for a job, and finding them a job). So the slave owners faced the prospect of becoming bankrupt if they emancipated their slaves at once.
On the other side of the coin, the Abolitionists wanted immediate emancipation for all slaves, yet they had NO PLAN with what to do with them after emancipation. Amazing when you look at how many ex-slaves were available to work during the industrial revolution here in the States, but the Northern States were too busy putting immigrants to work.
The reason for the Southern secession was caused by two things (one North, and one South). On the Southern side, the admission of territories in the west as "Free Soil" meant that the Southern States would no longer maintain parity in Congress, and as a minority faction, all laws inimicable to Southern interests would get ramrodded through over Southern objections. Along with this, the constant movement by the Abolitionists to foment a Slave uprising (remember John Brown?) put the Southern States on the defensive. On the Northern side, the up and coming industrial power base felt it was time for the North to hold the reins of power in Congress and the Executive branches. They financed the Abolitionist movement and got senators and representatives elected who would cultivate their interests (Stevens, Sumner, and a few others plus Abe Lincoln).
The Southern States were also trying to get free trade with other nations and the North, but the North however, didn't want that to happen as it would have hurt the Northern States economically (i.e. tariffs). There were many other factors that figured into the final mix, but this is a breif overview of why the South felt forced to secede.
The war of aggression was launched by Lincoln who stated that "We must preserve the Union". So he called up 75,000 troops to put down "the rebellion". But look up rebellion and secession and their meanings. Lincoln calling it a rebellion was nothing more than a political ploy to get a war. HE got his war. But if you would care to dig a little deeper, you would find that it wasn't about slavery at all, and that is what galls me about Yankees the most. You buy the line about "It was to free the slaves" and it WASN'T. The North went to war to prevent the Southern States from leaving the Union. They forced the will of Washington DC on the Southern States in 1865. AT THAT time the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution became "nice to know" items but of no real force. It opened up a whole new era of ways to get around the Constitution by legislation. So it was about political power, and freedom of States. The Northern side fought for centralization of political power and the Industrial barons of the North, the South fought for a State's right to determine its own future. Power, money are most commonly the things that people go to war over, and the War of Aggression waged by the North 1860-1865 was NO different.
Let me give YOU a question:
Show me where slavery was PROHIBITED in the Constitution.
If you can't........