Posted on 07/17/2006 2:08:51 PM PDT by Howlin
Every member of Duke University's men's lacrosse team is a potential witness in the case against three players charged with rape, Durham's lead prosecutor said Monday while arguing for access to their student ID card records. "We want to be able to confirm what they tell us about where they went afterward," District Attorney Mike Nifong said of the uncharged players.
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Titus also formally reaffirmed the state's rules governing trial publicity and disclosure of information to the public and the media. The order does not prevent attorneys in the case from talking publicly, but does prohibit statements that have a "substantial likelihood of materially prejudicing" the case. "The rules of professional responsibility require us to be very careful of what we say," said Wade Smith, one of Finnerty's attorneys. "We'll do that. We've been doing that. And we'll continue to do that."
(Excerpt) Read more at wral.com ...
Some activity (including moi) on Melanie's blog.
http://blogs.newsobserver.com/editor/index.php?title=duke_case_coverage_1&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1#comments
Yes - John Walsh. He's a senior this year.
Right, anything to get Magnum into depositions. I think maybe it is time for someone on the duke players defense team to to talk to the men that she has falsely accused of rape before again. Maybe they could get them to open up a lawsuit against her.
I saw that post too and it scared the living daylights out of me.
I agree that no judge will stop this thing - or control Nifong either.
I also agree that the "wolves in blazers and khakis" strategy will be Nifong's main line of attack. Since he has no evidence what else can he say.
I disagree that the defense attorneys aren't that good though. The attorneys for the indicted players are very good and they have all the evidence on their side. Will that be enough? I don't know.
Also, as of now, the cases are severed. Nifong will have to make a motion to join them at some point, which I'm sure he will.
You've forgotten that at least one good old white southern bigot will be on the jury. Said bigot would not vote to convict even WITH adequate evidence. This jury will hang the first time, hang the second time and hang the third time.
Thanks. That's the Bennett connection (cousin).
BTW - USC as in South Carolina?
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/16285.html
Will the Durham Establishment Protect "Petty-Tyrant" Prosecutor Michael Nifong?
Michael Gaynor checks in.
The only reason I'm interested is because the boys are evidently innocent.
My favorite classical liberal.
http://onecommunityofmany.blogspot.com/
These kooks have posted an essay, at the url above, protesting Ryan McFadyen's return to Duke. Someone posted a wonderful comment to the essay. The comment was so truthful and on target that it was immediately removed from the public blog. Now, they're all tore up and outraged that anyone spoke against them. They are plotting how to compose a group response to the comment. Here's the comment that has them riled. The all caps part at the top was added by the blog admin.
*HEAD'S UP: THIS POST IS BLATENTLY RACIST AND ANTI-SURVIVOR, SO PLEASE TAKE
CARE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE IN A PLACE WHERE YOU FEEL READY/WILLING TO
GRAPPLE WITH THAT.*
*"The words below are beyond a doubt, the most anti-white, racist, and*
*sexist words I've come upon in a long time. The website for UBUNTU
claims: "Ubuntu is an age-old African term for humaneness - for
caring, sharing and being in harmony with all of creation. As an
ideal, it promotes co-operation between individuals, cultures and
nations."
I find the author's words below to be the complete opposite of the
organization's claim. In fact, I don't think that the author could
have done anything to show more baseless, malicious intent towards
whites and men, than to write and publish the false claims and hate-
filled generalizations below. Mr. McFayden and all of the other
players and men at Duke have been found guilty of absolutely
nothing. Your insinuation that they have is malicious in itself. As
a matter of fact, it is looking more and more like the roles of
perpetrator and victim will be switched...with the Lacrosse players
at Duke being the victims of an abhorant scam perpetrated by the
accuser for nothing more than money and attention.
It's pathetic to see people use an incident that does not involve
them in any way, to politicize their unfounded claims of
victimization and false cries of racism.
To the ladies of this organization, I say this: You are not a victim
of anything here. You were not raped by any Lacrosse players from
Duke. No one at Duke is causing you terror except for that which you
choose to create in your own mind in an effort to gain unwarranted
attention. No one wrote an email that had anything to do with you,
and everyone knows it. For you to claim otherwise is a lie.
Society abhors false victimization, as it only harms the true
victims. And victims...you are not. The only victims here are the
players at Lacrosse - and in fact all men at Duke - who are victims
of your false claims, your anti-white racism, and your sexism.
One last thing. The term "People of Color" is senseless, as we all
have a color. Of course, most of us don't categorize people by the
color of their skin the way the author does. Only bigots do that.
Look in the mirror, members of UBUNTU and you'll see that the bigotry
and racism you claim to see in others, in fact, resides mostly in you.
As a lady, I am thankful I don't walk in your shoes...as I wouldn't
be able to live with myself and the misplaced hatred you seem to
harbor so gleefully."
One more comment from within the private group:
The reality is that we don't know what will happen with this specific post, but the ideas it contains are ideas we will have to deal with in our work. I felt like the reaction is not isolated to the words of the joke essay, but really is directed at the analysis and work of UBUNTU as a whole and if we are going to be a public and active voice in this fight, we have to deal with the fear that women of color and survivors speaking up will strike into the hearts of those comfortable in a violent patriarchal and white supremacist world. As such, I think it is smart and strategic to develop some responses to this in preparation for the multitude of times we will be faced with similar ideas in the days to come.
Much love -
- Serena
Good Lord-groups like that are the equivalent of the Klan.
It would never enter my mind to think of myself as a victim or someone at the mercy of others.
Life has never been fair, but by God you play the cards you are dealt. The choices are to rise above it or to wallow in it.
I loathe those who choose to wallow in victimhood.
There are many duke.edu email addresses on that mailing list. List members also belong to other activist groups, such as Men Against Rape Culture, Sex Workers Outreach Project, and Hip Hop Against Racist War. All of them are sucking the government grant teat.
Why the defense will lose this case (unless they change strategy)
That kind of declaratory statement immediately sets off the BS meter. NO ONE can make such a prediction with certainty. It is one thing for a jury not to send a black celebrity to prison for murder. It is quite another to send three innocent young men to prison for decades. Joe Cheshire V knows the legal system in NC as well as anyone. Does anyone think the defense has not given extensive thought to the racial factors?
Although we are just 3 or 4 preliminary hearings into this case, the Nifong strategy is clear. And it will be devastatingly effective. And that will be a slam dunk for the DA.
Says a very confident internet poster. Look, Nifong should not be underestimated ; nor should the home town refs (judges). However, the DA still has to present a case. So far, everything we've seen from the DA's files are prejudicial to his own case! The only figleaf he has is that "he must have SOMETHING". He won't have that figleaf at trial and he knows it.
With Nifong standing there as the sole defender of the safety of the citizens of Durham against marauding out-of-state jocks, both black and white jurors will respond.
Another declaration that no one can make with certainty.
If this case goes to trial, and it will, it is imperative that the defense lawyers attempt to sever the cases and try each individually. To try and break this dynamic.
Just how does it follow that trying them individually will break this dynamic? The same dynamic the poster outlined would still be at work.
It will not be easy but if they don't, Finnerty, Evans and Seligmann may well be convicted.
The poster has not shown why the indicted are better off being tried individually, and has made several unsupported assertions. I'm confident that Joe Cheshire V has considered every point this doom and gloom poster made.
In short, I call BS.
The "horsehead in the bed" school of persuasion. I gotta remember and use that one.
Sarasun is fairly recent to the ctv boards. She makes a lot of errors. The one who really gets me is Regina. She writes everything in blue. The other day she was professing her love for Judge Titus.
It's good to know what the other side is saying. But whew! the venon! I followed Howlin over here.
Nope. As in Southern California.
She acts like a mod.
At first I thought she was one.
Didn't catch a Regina post in that thread. Have no desire to go look.
Was gonna say "Go Cocks!"
Cocks and Trojans-too rich, all of which will get me banned except, maybe...nah, suffice it to say anything that could be said, I have thought, LOL!
I am butting in here, but I wish someone would slap that Savana, LOL!
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