[Trupolitik]

I am curious if the Free Republic Adins will put this in the "weird" section of General Discussion. The Ottowa Citizen is correct in stating that this issue should be the subject of our greater public discourse.

They make this plain by stating:

McQuaig and Corsi are right. This paper should be widely read, and not just because of trade issues. As the continental project trundles forward, must our loyalties remain at sea?

National sovereignty concerns may be addressed with precise legal language and government-to-government structures with clear lines of accountability

CFR Study: Building a North American Union http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/NorthAmerica_TF_final.pdf

Security and Prosperity Partenrship Agreement: http://www.spp.gov/

[hershey]

National sovereignty....what's that?

[Darkwolf377]

Published shortly after the announcement of the Security and Prosperity Partnership, its central premise is "the establishment by 2010 of a North American economic and security community, the boundaries of which would be defined by a common external tariff and an outer security perimeter within which the movement of people, products and capital will be legal, orderly and safe ..."

My God, that's terrible.

[Jim Noble]

Building a North American Union:

Article IV, section 3:"New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."

[when the time is right]

Canada has a problem. For years they have paid for their social programs by not spending a cent on their military and depending on their "friends" to the south to protect them.

This worked out fine until Canada decided that "they" did not want to be friends with their neighbor to the south. So now they have a problem. What to do. They don't have the money to develop military so I guess their idea is to try to sucker their "friends" to the south into believing that North America should all be one United country with of course....each country having equal say on everything.

George Bush may not fall for this crap but I am sure that any Liberal we elect will.

[Skylab]

I can see -- and all free men must thrill to -- the advance of this Atlantic civilization joined by its great ocean highway to the United States. What a destiny! What a destiny can be ours to stand as a great central pillar linking Europe, the Americas, and the venerable and vital peoples and cultures of the Pacific.

I can see a day when all the Americas, North and South, will be linked in a mighty system, a system in which the errors and misunderstandings of the past will be submerged one by one in a rising tide of prosperity and interdependence. We know that the misunderstandings of centuries are not to be wiped away in a day or wiped away in an hour. But we pledge, we pledge that human sympathy -- what our neighbors to the South call an attitude of "simpatico" -- no less than enlightened self-interest will be our guide.

Barry Goldwater, Republican National Convention, San Francisco, 16 July 1964,

[sergeantdave]

What are the mechanics of establishing this "North American Community"?

Will some kind of regional planning commission be set up to write rules, enforce those rules and judge the rules? If so, I'm against it. I don't want any kind of unelected commission set up to write law. Any laws concerning trade need to go through congress for up or down votes. The last thing we need is an EU style bureaucracy determining the size and shape of cucumbers.

[wolfcreek]

If someone manages to put together a Ping list, count me in!

[xzins]

I have no problem with a united north America.

I will support the United States of (North) America under the constitution of our united states. There was no law that said the USA had to be limited to the original 13 states. That we now have 50 is proof of that. Therefore, it's also true that there is no law that says the USA has to be limited to 50 states.

In fact, to me, it appears manifest destiny that the provinces of our current canada also be states with the USA. The state of British Columbia, of Quebec, etc., would be a natural addition to our nation.

Likewise with the various states of Mexico and the countries of Latin America and the islands of the Caribbean.

The Monroe Doctrine said to keep your hands off those places.

I agree. They are too proximate not to be united.

And that under the best constitution ever written by freedom loving peoples.

[mjolnir]

The Ottawa Citizen and the Toronto Star are pro-socialism, anti-free market papers, and Jerome Corsi is by no means an"arch-conservative" ebcause he helped the Swift Vets expose Kerry any more than David Brock was a conservative because he exposed Anita Hill.

Anything any of them say should be taken with a huge grain of salt.

For one thing, the CFR simply does not have influence Corsi claims. If it did, the United States would not have gone to war in Iraq.

The idea that the Mexican government would ever give up its sovereignty to join an enlarged nation-state dominated primarily by the United States and secondarily by Canada approaches metaphysical impossibility.

As John Hawkins (an actual conservative) puts it:

Really? So, President Bush, who will be leaving office in early 2009, will be unilaterally throwing out the Constitution and creating an American, Mexican, and Canadian Super State that would be almost universally opposed by the citizens of the United States? That would be a pretty neat trick to pull off, especially given that Bush can't even arrange to put a group of terrorists in front of a military tribunal without having the Supreme Court get in his way.

http://www.rightwingnews.com/archives/week_2006_06_25.PHP#005975

[Hawk1976]

If it is true that either the citizens of the states of Mexico or Canada wish to be under the same government as the Anerican citizens then we have several processes for that.

They could legally immigrate.

They could also petition their governments to file a petition with the United States congress requesting statehood.

All this extra-nnational trade organization is absolute nonsense. The only law higher than the constitution in the United States is God's law.

[DumpsterDiver]

ping

[hedgetrimmer]

More meetings scheduled for this fall. Since when does the US government have 'ministers'?


North American nations announce trade collaboration

Canada, Mexico and the U.S. launched the North American Competitiveness Council on June 15, 2006. U.S. Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez, Mexican Economy Minister Sergio Garcia de Alba, and Canadian Prime Minister of Industry Maxime Bernier met with North American business leaders to launch the North American Competitiveness Council (NACC) officially. Earlier this year, U.S. President George Bush had announced the formation of such a council as a priority to his commitment to the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP).

The SPP ministers from all three nations will meet with the NACC in early fall 2006 to discuss their priorities, updates to work plans, and new initiatives. The SPP released a report of its recent accomplishments (March-June 2006), which included coordinating joint work on regulatory processes, promoting best practices, and enhancing information sharing throughout the regulatory process. It also discussed the ongoing liberalization of rules of origin to help improve the competitiveness of industries by reducing transaction costs, facilitating the cross-border trade of goods, and enabling exporters to more easily qualify for duty free treatment. In May the three countries agreed to a third round of changes affecting more than $30 billion in trilateral trade with an implementation goal of 2007.


http://www.modplas.com/inc/mparticle.php?section=eweekly&thefilename=eweekly06012006_09

[hedgetrimmer]

FYI

[Calpernia]

These:

CFR Study: Building a North American Union http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/NorthAmerica_TF_final.pdf

Security and Prosperity Partenrship Agreement: http://www.spp.gov/

Have been posted many times before.

Freepers have continuously posted that it is a line of hooey; yet will not explain why they think it is.

[texastoo]

(1) agreeing to certain amendments to the November 1993 Agreement Between the Government of the United States of America and the Government of the United Mexican States Concerning the Establishment of a Border Environment Cooperation Commission and a North American Development Bank; or

I am to the point that I don't kinow what happened in 1993 to give some two-bit politicians the idea that they can just add anything they want to NAFTA or any other foreign policy. What about our children and grandchildren. These two-bit politicians don't give a d@mn about anything. They would sell their own mother for a vote.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

It's still in News, amazingly enough.