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Call adds mystery to lacrosse case (DukeLax)
News and Observer ^ | July 12, 2006 | Joseph Neff

Posted on 07/12/2006 1:52:14 AM PDT by abb

Phone use spans time of team party

In the middle of a Duke lacrosse party where a dancer said she was gang-raped for 30 minutes, a call was placed from her cell phone to a Durham escort service.

The 12:26 a.m. call to the service, Centerfold, lasted one minute, according to a copy of her cell phone bill reviewed by The News & Observer. It is unclear whether the call was a request for another job, a cry for help or something else, or even whether the accuser made the call herself.

But the accuser's phone records add some details to the chronology of the March 13 party, a drunken spring break bash that spawned a national controversy.

Neither prosecutors nor defense lawyers would discuss the phone records Tuesday. Neither the accuser nor a second dancer at the party could be reached, nor could representatives of Centerfold. Police Chief Steve Chalmers was out of town; his spokeswoman said he would not discuss the case.

Three players have been charged with first-degree rape, sexual offense and kidnapping: Reade Seligmann, 20, of Essex Fells, N.J.; Collin Finnerty, 19, of Garden City, N.Y.; and Dave Evans, 23, of Bethesda, Md. Lawyers for the players have proclaimed their clients' innocence and said no rape or sex occurred at the house at 610 N. Buchanan Blvd.

District Attorney Mike Nifong, whose handling of the case has undergone national scrutiny, has been adamant that the woman was raped at the party. Nifong has not given a precise timeline of when he thinks an assault occurred.

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To: Locomotive Breath

"The Gov. having put him in office, Nifong no longer answers to the Gov. or the NC AG nor anyone else"

Well, this is not correct. There ARE provisions for the AG to move in when there is misconduct. Either the AG was evading the truth, to be polite, or else he does not know NC law.
(The relevant portions were posted some time ago in one of the forums.)


261 posted on 07/12/2006 4:07:34 PM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: Locomotive Breath

The AG's office can investigate Nifong and his office for corruption. There are also presiding judges and other judicial bodies that can rein him in if they have the will to do it.


262 posted on 07/12/2006 4:08:58 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Jezebelle

You worked vice? As in cop?


263 posted on 07/12/2006 4:09:23 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Jezebelle

Do they have ANY idea the black eye that NC, Durham, and the entire judicial system (in the whole US) is getting from this?

If they did, I think they'd act immediately, if only out of self-preservation.


264 posted on 07/12/2006 4:10:12 PM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

"You worked vice? As in cop?"

Well, uh, I hope he did. . . (and not just in vice. . .)

:-)


265 posted on 07/12/2006 4:11:14 PM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: CondorFlight
(And you can imagine the reception he would get there.)

This is one thing I think is overestimated here. Most people in jail want to do their time and get out. Certainly there are sexual preditors in jail, but in general people in jail keep to themselves and do their time.

And the African-American prisoners if they know about this case know what Mangum is. They certainly do not think it is the 1850s like the civil rights pimps claim to believe.
266 posted on 07/12/2006 4:11:58 PM PDT by JLS
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Yeah, detective. Plus two years in sex crimes, nine in rob-hom. Then I switched departments - went to the DA's office as an investigator, retired now.


267 posted on 07/12/2006 4:14:08 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Mike Nifong
Here's how a BLACK ATHLETE was treated in regard to Rape allegations

Sorry, but I think race is not quite the issue here. Certainly race was important to Nifong, but Nifong is about political gain.

You would have been better entitling your post here is how a reasonable prosecutor acts with a lack of evidence. I believe the LA DAs office made a similar decision concern a white/hispanic QB for USC recently.

This shows to a legit prosecutor it takes more than a complaining witness to file charges. Now maybe these guys caught a bit of a break for being well known, but maybe not.
268 posted on 07/12/2006 4:18:44 PM PDT by JLS
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To: CondorFlight

I've never been to Durham, but I'm getting the sense that there're a lot of yard-cars, bullet-ridden toilets and rusted sheets of corrugated metal decorating many Durham landscapes.


269 posted on 07/12/2006 4:21:04 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Jezebelle

Wow, a new perspective on your opinions, which are good ones to begin with.


270 posted on 07/12/2006 4:22:06 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: CondorFlight

I'm a she. :>


271 posted on 07/12/2006 4:24:03 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: CondorFlight

I thought he was kicked out of Duke for the time being? Either his lawyer and family (and alumnae) will have to prevail on Duke to rescind that decision or the judge's probation order amounts to a work order for a promising college student. I just wonder if the verdict and sentence don't reflect the white predation of DC's heavy black population.


272 posted on 07/12/2006 4:30:09 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: CondorFlight

I agree that there are extraordinary measures that the AG might, maybe, take. Can you cite me an example where any NC AG has used them? Kinda' like, in theory, we could impeach SCOTUS Justice Kennedy for relying on international law in his decisions. Unless it's every happened before I don't view it as a practical alternative.


273 posted on 07/12/2006 4:35:13 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Locomotive Breath

"Can you cite me an example where any NC AG has used them?"

I agree it's extraordinary, but if this case does not warrant it, then what case does?

I don't think NC has ever had a DA like Nifong before.
(He must have taken his lessons from Vishinsky, Stalin's prosecutor at the show trials--first the verdict,
then the trial, evidence not required)


274 posted on 07/12/2006 4:37:53 PM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: CondorFlight

I read that too. Full-time student or work. How is he supposed to do that? He's been suspended from Duke. What does the judge expect him to do?


275 posted on 07/12/2006 4:39:30 PM PDT by SarahUSC
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To: Jezebelle

"I thought he was kicked out of Duke for the time being?"

He is. I think the only option is work full time (although he has also to be preparing his case).

And of course, that will set his education back even further onto a back burner.


276 posted on 07/12/2006 4:39:32 PM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: Locomotive Breath

It's extraordinary in any state, not just NC.

LOL! Unless the NC AG fears Nifong is going to run against him and win, he probably won't concern himself with the matter until it becomes such a hemorrhoid on the state's backside that he has no choice, which is no different from any other politician from the same party and especially when occupying a similar occupation.


277 posted on 07/12/2006 4:42:46 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Jezebelle

The governor chose Nifong for a reason--picked him out of traffic court, when there were other qualified people in the DA's office.

He must have had a reason which he thought would benefit himself or the party.


278 posted on 07/12/2006 4:45:51 PM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: CondorFlight

I've read a couple of times that it was jim Hardin, the DA being appointed to the bench that created the vacancy, who recommended Nifong to Easley and that Hardin recommended him because of his longevity in the DA's office.


279 posted on 07/12/2006 4:53:01 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Jezebelle

Did Hardin want Nifong, or not want Black? I think Black was black balled.


280 posted on 07/12/2006 4:55:24 PM PDT by maggief (and the dessert cart rolls on ...)
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