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Call adds mystery to lacrosse case (DukeLax)
News and Observer ^ | July 12, 2006 | Joseph Neff

Posted on 07/12/2006 1:52:14 AM PDT by abb

Phone use spans time of team party

In the middle of a Duke lacrosse party where a dancer said she was gang-raped for 30 minutes, a call was placed from her cell phone to a Durham escort service.

The 12:26 a.m. call to the service, Centerfold, lasted one minute, according to a copy of her cell phone bill reviewed by The News & Observer. It is unclear whether the call was a request for another job, a cry for help or something else, or even whether the accuser made the call herself.

But the accuser's phone records add some details to the chronology of the March 13 party, a drunken spring break bash that spawned a national controversy.

Neither prosecutors nor defense lawyers would discuss the phone records Tuesday. Neither the accuser nor a second dancer at the party could be reached, nor could representatives of Centerfold. Police Chief Steve Chalmers was out of town; his spokeswoman said he would not discuss the case.

Three players have been charged with first-degree rape, sexual offense and kidnapping: Reade Seligmann, 20, of Essex Fells, N.J.; Collin Finnerty, 19, of Garden City, N.Y.; and Dave Evans, 23, of Bethesda, Md. Lawyers for the players have proclaimed their clients' innocence and said no rape or sex occurred at the house at 610 N. Buchanan Blvd.

District Attorney Mike Nifong, whose handling of the case has undergone national scrutiny, has been adamant that the woman was raped at the party. Nifong has not given a precise timeline of when he thinks an assault occurred.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsobserver.com ...


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To: abb
...a call was placed from her cell phone to a Durham escort service. The 12:26 a.m. call to the service, Centerfold...

...the lacrosse team hired the two dancers from Allure Escort Services and Bunny Hole Entertainment.

The accuser, a 27-year-old mother of two and student at N.C. Central University, was hired to perform for two hours for $400, as was a second dancer, Kim Roberts.

Follow. The. Money.

21 posted on 07/12/2006 4:10:55 AM PDT by elli1
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To: Jezebelle
It looks like Mangum's cell phone records, the LAX players time-stamped photos, and Bissey's observations are consistent with each and create a timeline which supports Reade's alibi.

I wonder how the THs will spin this to help Nifong?

22 posted on 07/12/2006 4:37:41 AM PDT by writmeister
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To: abb
Many legal experts seem to think that the immunity which prosecutors generally have from lawsuits arising from their actions is not absolute.

Experts also note that there is no case in which a conviction has been won over DNA evidence which exonerates the defendant, and that Nifong is basically living in a dream world.

23 posted on 07/12/2006 5:15:44 AM PDT by tomzz
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To: Jezebelle

Nifong didn't care what was on that phone, either.

DPD hadn't looked at it, and now we know DPD hasn't asked Centerfold about this call, either.

So who did she call and what was the conversation? It almost had to be about getting a ride, imo.

Just how many escort services do these "ladies" work for anyway? Now we have Centerfold added....


24 posted on 07/12/2006 6:04:15 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6

Well obviously the time logs for the phone calls has been monkeyed with...

/sarc


25 posted on 07/12/2006 6:09:21 AM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: abb
Well obviously the time logs for the phone calls has been monkeyed with...

Well, if these lacrosse players can alter the time stamps on an ATM machine and keycard log, then tampering with cell phone records should be a piece of cake.

26 posted on 07/12/2006 6:13:06 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

Lol, we joke here, but as we saw Monday the Judge in Finnerty's trial said in court that Wonkette's blog had information pertinet to that case.

Nifong and company may be monitoring us, trolling for ideas...


27 posted on 07/12/2006 6:15:35 AM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: abb

Ha!

If anybody in this case was going to monkey with phone records, it'd be Nifong....

Bissey has CGM arriving at about 11:50 and entering the house at 12:00.

I'll bet that 11:36 phone call is from several minutes before they reached the house and they got there more like 11:45 or 50 as Bissey said.

Remember too that Kim called to tell the service that the dancers were there and everything was okay.

Now we also have several police affidavits with an 11:30 arrival time..... Nifong and the DPD should have known that arrival time was false.


28 posted on 07/12/2006 6:18:06 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: abb
Nifong and company may be monitoring us, trolling for ideas...

Well, when all the evidence indicates that no crime was committed and the accuser has zero credibility, I guess trolling the internet for a new "angle" makes about as much sense as anything.

Of course a prosecutor with an ounce of integrity would drop the case, but Nifong can't do that until after election day.

29 posted on 07/12/2006 6:23:16 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: ltc8k6

The PC affidavit from Saacks makes it seem like the dance started close to 11:30.

To quote Kim:

"It's a crock!"


30 posted on 07/12/2006 6:24:49 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: abb

Transcript of call:

"I think I finally got some really rich ones here. My ship may have come in. I'll call you back."


31 posted on 07/12/2006 6:31:23 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: ltc8k6
Did you notice the last sentence in the article?

There is nothing in evidence reviewed by The N&O or filed in court to indicate that Durham police investigated the call made at 12:26 a.m.

That, to me, is simply astounding...

32 posted on 07/12/2006 6:31:23 AM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: Lurker

Im my opinion, the defense will not ask for a summary judgment...At this point, they want the case to go full steam ahead. With each passing day and revelation, the DA and the DPD's corruption is exposed. Why on earth would the defense want this covered up? Anyone else smell massive civil suits against all connected in anyway to Durham LE?


33 posted on 07/12/2006 6:32:06 AM PDT by Neverforget01
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To: Neverforget01
Im my opinion, the defense will not ask for a summary judgment...At this point, they want the case to go full steam ahead. With each passing day and revelation, the DA and the DPD's corruption is exposed. Why on earth would the defense want this covered up? Anyone else smell massive civil suits against all connected in anyway to Durham LE?

Several weeks ago, Catfish Guilfoyle made the statement that the defense told her they WILL NOT ask for summary dismissal. I wasn't sure I heard that right, but a couple others heard it, too.

34 posted on 07/12/2006 6:35:49 AM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: abb

So, she was raped having phone sex. I see nothing inconsistent ...


35 posted on 07/12/2006 6:36:39 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: ltc8k6
"Just how many escort services do these "ladies" work for anyway?"

You are getting very close to the real story here. Organized crime? Government officials involved? Keep digging.

36 posted on 07/12/2006 6:38:11 AM PDT by TommyDale (Stop the Nifongery!)
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To: abb

Well, they didn't even look at the records or the phone, apparently. They couldn't investigate the call. They were willfully unaware of it.

Not only is it astounding, if you think back to Nifong's laughter in court about the phone, it's also bizarre.

It's hard to find words for it, actually.....


37 posted on 07/12/2006 6:39:11 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: abb

How did N&O get Crystal's cell phoone records? It's doubtful that the paper got the records directly from Crystal (who is in hiding) or from the cell phone service provider (because of privacy laws). I don't think the paper could FOIA this information because of the ongoing investigtion. And the records are not public documents (yet).

So where did the paper get the records? What's its source? The prosecutor? The police? Or the defense attorneys?


38 posted on 07/12/2006 6:40:22 AM PDT by Mad-Margaret
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To: Mad-Margaret

Another good question to ask Melanie Sill on her blog...


39 posted on 07/12/2006 6:42:04 AM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: abb
Thank you for the new thread.

a drunken spring break bash

No bias there. /sarc.

Police Chief Steve Chalmers was out of town; his spokeswoman said he would not discuss the case.

Vaca? It's been a busy couple of weeks back on the job. /sarc.

"There is no additional information other than that which has already been furnished, recovered by the police about Allure Escort Services or Bunny Hole Entertainment," Nifong said. "All the information we've been able to gain has already been furnished to the defense."

Key words ... "able to gain." Does that include Gottlieb's report? What about the other cell phone records? Durham Access records?
40 posted on 07/12/2006 6:43:13 AM PDT by maggief (and the dessert cart rolls on ...)
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