Posted on 07/04/2006 12:08:16 AM PDT by sully777
KUTV) SOUTH JORDAN A former high school teacher accused of having sex with a student was severely beaten inside her home.
Thirty-year-old Melinda Lee Deluca told police she came home Friday afternoon and was alone when she was jumped from behind. Police said she was beaten so badly that she was flown by medical helicopter to the hospital from her home in South Jordan.
Deluca was recently accused of having sex with one of her students at Copper Hills High School in West Jordan. Police believe the assault could be related to the charges.
“It does appear that this is related to the incident in West Jordan with her teaching position at Copper Hills High School," said Lt. Matt Evans with the South Jordan Police Department. "It doesn't appear to be a random event.”
"I hope they find out who did it and I hope they put them away. Underage or not – nobody deserves anything like this,” said one neighbor who didn’t want to be identified.
Police are not saying wether the two suspects were men or teenage boys.
Hi Wolf,
In your experience, how do men who were seduced by women in authority over them go on to treat women, especially wives?
Not that this is an issue that can be decided by utilitarian argument, but I'm curious.
"..some here see encounters between female teachers and male students as relatively harmless in comparison with male teachers and female students,.."
There are two issues that tend to get squeezed together in these threads: 1. Sex between an older female and a boy and: 2. Betrayal of a relationship of trust on the part of the adult.
From the point of view of the adult there is culpability in both cases as she ought to know better.
From the point of view of most boys it doesn't really matter.
From the point of view of the parents, who, of course, are responsible for the upbringing and moral shaping of the boy, #2 is aggravated by the trust given the teacher and betrayed by her.
As a teenager, any babe who wanted to jump me was welcome and would have been thanked most profusely.
As an adult, any teacher who betrayed my implicit trust in her with my kid might actually get her ass kicked if I thought the law was not going to land on her as hard as it should.
That's such a great point I wanted to repeat it. And I stress that this is in MY experience, and that may differ. My primary experience is with teens and those in early 20's.
It's extraordinarily difficult to make a one-to-one correlation between THIS kind of behavior and THAT kind of experience. I can't stress enough that it depends on the individual. There simply are no fast and loose, all-encompassing rules.
However, you asked about my experience. Keep in mind my experience is with kids who are troubled to begin with, meaning they have had brain-injuring accidents or were molested or raped, and not "average" people.
I've found that the boys who began their sexual experiences this way in fact are less anxious about their initial voluntary interactions with women. Their interactions subsequently are far more influenced by their experiences with their mothers than anything else. You know which boys have the toughest time dealing with women? Boys who've been adopted and never made a strong bond with their adoptive mother.
I'd have to say that the ONE element that will determine a boy's respectful attitude towards women, and an avoidance of neurotic womanizing to prove his masculinity while hiding distrust and fear, doesn't have to do with early sexual experiences, but early non-sexual ones. Long before that "first time," the attitudes towards women are cemented by his interaction with his mother. (And I'd argue that his healthy or unhealthy personal relationship with mom and sisters make a boy open to or resistant to one of these older women situations.)
I know this isn't particularly clear or scholarly, but I can only tell it like I see it, and I can't recall a situation of a boy who was seduced by an attractive woman (i.e. a situation the boy ultimatley LIKED) resulting in the boy having a cavalier or unhealthy attitude towards women. I imagine there have been cases I've dealt with where the boy may have LIED and not discussed being seduced by a woman, but frankly, I've never seen it. Plainly speaking, boys BRAG about it, and probably exagerrate the woman's attractiveness. Girls don't brag about it, though they may subsequently replay the situation in terms of seducing many men and boys in order to replay and "control" that replay of the original, painful experience. We don't have time to go into all the girls traumatized by too-early sexual involvment with men.
It just seems that the initial sexual experience is one about control, and in the boy's case, he knows he will always be in control because of the physical requirements of the act, while the girl already feels out of control, and LOSES that control when she's molested.
This is the foundation for my strongly-held belief that there IS a difference, and a big one. ALL cases of older-younger involvement should be investigated, particularly by the parents. But...it ain't the same.
This is why the charge that I'm some libertine is riduculous and beside the point. I'm exclusively talking emotional/mental fallout. In my PERSONAL opinion I wouldn't want my kids having sex with any adult, and that's why I want all such cases investigated.
Oh, my. Frankly, I'd like to beat a few teachers myself who take advantage of the youngsters they are supposed to be teaching. But I don't.
Bullshit, its an unacceptable inequality in punishment for men and women.
But in truth, it matters not whether an adult male or female is taking advantage of the young. This is predatory behavior. And damned wrong.
I think an adult (male or female) taking sexual advantage of an underage male is WORSE. An adult predator KNOWS about those urges, how strong they can be and instead of encouraging the young male to learn to temper those urges, the predator preys, and encourages that youth to also be a sexual predator one day..
Without male predators, the feminists have few causes. Watch the feminists support the beaten abuser, in this case, via one of their "sister" coalition groups.
It's all about money to them. It's always been about money to them.
You running for congress, yet?
Admit it, wolf. You're a guilty, barking dog. I think. LOL!
Bet the "victim" thought he'd crossed the River Jordan, though...
I've met and given counsel to many young boys traumatized by sex with an adult male. If the sexes are indeed equal, in the eyes of the law (as they are supposed to be) an adult predator is AN ADULT PREDATOR -- doesn't and shouldn't matter whether or not the predator is gay, straight or transgendered.
I did conduct some informal intervals in the mid-90s among grown males. Those who'd had sex with an adult female when they were young DID tend to view adultery with a lighter eye.
There are repercussions, no matter what. Preying upon the underage brings CONSEQUENCES to both sexes.
Bingo.
lol. Count me in on this group of mothers.
OKIE DOKIE!
I don't have a dog in your fight but since you asked for it.
You're a pompous ass. Clear enough?
But you're wrong when you say it matters not if the one taking advantage--and it IS taking advantage--is a male or female. One can argue it should be the same in the eyes of the law, but sorry, it IS different. I will just let that point stand so I don't have to repost 10 times repeating the same thing.
You're right about the feminist agenda; I've seen it affect a counsellor's judgment, and of course I was then labelled whatever due to that.
It IS predatory behavior; if you look back on what I've written I haven't said one word to contradict that, haven't said a word about the psyche of the seducer.
But I rest with the non-PC but true point--it IS different. (I won't repeat that again, so don't worry.) In my experience, it's angry MALES who don't want to let go of an opportunity to get back at Women as a group who hold onto the fallacy that it's the same.
I have got the perfect religion for you.
In terms of me being guilty, and trying to keep this clean, I'll admit that the first two times I had encounters were with older women. I HOPE that's what you meant by saying I'm "guilty".
I've met and given counsel to many young boys traumatized by sex with an adult male.
I never suggested otherwise, and was quite explicit about it.
If the sexes are indeed equal, in the eyes of the law (as they are supposed to be) an adult predator is AN ADULT PREDATOR -- doesn't and shouldn't matter whether or not the predator is gay, straight or transgendered.
I know it's the PC thing to say, but it ain't reality. But I know it makes people feel comfortable, and allows them to avoid unpleasant realities.
I did conduct some informal intervals in the mid-90s among grown males. Those who'd had sex with an adult female when they were young DID tend to view adultery with a lighter eye.
Well, that's not contradicting anything I've said about attitudes towards women. Did you find evidence this tendency came as a result of this interaction?
There are repercussions, no matter what.
Sorry, that's not true; it's a case-by-case thing. It's popular to impose one's morality on these things and say "Of COURSE there are repurcusions and they're always bad!" But there's no such thing as there ALWAYS being repurcussions "no matter what" in any circumstance. I've had clients who were traumatized by something another client didn't give a second thought to--individual personalities determine the way of subsequently dealing with such a situation.
Preying upon the underage brings CONSEQUENCES to both sexes.
Not always.
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