Posted on 07/03/2006 7:10:02 PM PDT by GVnana
My sweet little cocker spaniel dog was nearly killed by two pitbulls who jumped a fence to get to her. She crossed a nearby driveway and they got her.
By the time my neighbors got the dogs off, (within seconds) the pits had grounded my dog, tore out her left eye, dislocated her left leg, and left ten gaping wounds in her body. She couldn't move or even howl in pain. That's how I found her.
My dog weighs 40 pounds. She's large for her breed. She's AKC registered and pedigreed. She was a very beautiful dog.
This happened 10 days ago and I'm still stunned at the viciousness of the attack. I don't know if a human child would have survived what those animals did.
I have since learned that homeowner's insurance will not cover pitbulls.
I'm posting this as a warning and also as an invitation to comment.
Every once in a while you come off as being really dense.
Follow the posts back, I was responding to your post 382 which made no mention of Cocker Spaniels and neither did my response in post 402 mention Cocker Spaniels.
Then you replied with post 408 in which you brought Cocker Spaniels into the discussion.
Inferring that Cocker Spaniels are have no potential for being dangerous.
I then responded with a mention of Cocker Spaniels
They (cougars)were brought into the conversation to correct your suggestion that Cocker Spaniels were some how a worry.
Geez, go back again to post 382.
My comment, which you italicized and responded to by bringing up cougars,
has nothing whatsoever to do with Cocker Spaniels.
You stand a better chance with the cougar.
Next to the bears, this is the largest, most powerful Canadian predator...
Large males can measure 2.5 m in total length and may weigh over 90 kg.
Your emotional fanaticism is blinding you to reality.
I have no intention of "putting up" my dog against a bear.
My point was that if I was attacked by a predatory bear I would have an ally in my dog.
It might save my life.
I guess it depends on how you twist my statement.
BTW the family is taking donations for medical treatment since the Dog owners had no assets nor insurance.
That's good, I assume you have contributed generously
I have and I challenge all Pit Bull activists to do the same as a show of good citizenship. They have a debt to society for pushing the breed into neighborhoods.
How is your dog going to protect you if he is muzzled as required by THE LAW? Sounds like irresponsible bully breed ownership.
What if a hiker comes along with a normal dog?! Are you going to just rely on luck and the break stick? Live and let maul?
You don't sound like you have much experience in these matters. If you want to protect yourself from bears, get a gun. A p*ssed-off bear in the wild is no joke. If you care about your dog, you'll keep it away from bears. It might intimidate a cub, but it won't do you any good against an adult.
First, I must be mixing up your posts with the other person that is posting to me in this thread. If the cocker spaniel fits, then...well, something like that.
Pitbulls should be banned in all residential neighborhoods. They are too dangerous, too unpredictable and there have been too many maulings by pitbulls. The subject is not other dogs or cougars. It is not about how many times a cocker spaniel has bitten someone. It is about pitbulls.
All pitbulls that are now in residential areas should be removed from their owners homes and locked down in cages. Then give the owner 30 days to decide what they want to do with the dog - bringing it back home not being one of the options. If they do not want to move or relocate the animal to an area that is appropriate for pitbulls, then the pitbulls should be put to sleep.
There would be no more pitbull maulings in neighborhoods, no more children with their noses, ears and scalps chewed off, no more animal control officers mauled by the dang pitbulls. Problem solved.
Sorry, you wil never sway me from this position. The best you can do is try to work as hard to prevent my way from becoming reality as I am working to get pitbulls banned.
Dear lady, I am not hunting bears by myself or with my dog.
My dog is not trained to hunt.
In the story I told above my dog did give chase and broke off when I commanded it.
I learned from that incident and when I walk a portage trail I make lots of noise,
shouting out "NO BEARS ALLOWED".
I know, silly phrase but the purpose is to warn any bears of my presence.
Normally a bear will avoid contact.
No I do not have much experience with close encounters with bears, thank goodness!
Perhaps my precautions are the reason for that.
I have also learned from other's experiences and have tools to scare off a nuisance bear.
Much of my travels are through Crown Game Preserves or National Parks
where, right or wrong, firearms are not allowed.
I do not at present own a rifle but intend to get one next year.
It would be the best protection.
It is my fondness desire to acquire a small isolated property in the north for my retirement,
far from liberals and dog nannies.
A gun or two is a prerequisite for that life.
A p*ssed-off bear in the wild is no joke. If you care about your dog, you'll keep it away from bears. .
No $hit, I never would have guessed.
The closest I want to get to a bear is to be able to shoot it with my telephoto lens.
You seem to have missed my point. Perhaps my choice of the term ally is confusing.
Let me try again.
In the extremely rare case of being stalked and attacked by a predatory bear,
my dog may distract the bear long enough for me to save myself.
Is that any clearer?
Then I shall not try
no more children with their noses, ears and scalps chewed off
Ah if only that were true.
If only pit bulls were the only dogs to do that.
What about the other dangerous breeds?
Do the poor children mauled by them not count?
"And since we're on the topic of cocker spaniel agressiveness (not really) a cocker could not have done what those two pits did to my cocker."
Let's look at this logically. If there were two cocker spaniels, and there was another, slightly smaller dog, yes, they could even kill it. It is not a matter of whether the dog is strong enough to kill a person, but another dog? This happens all the time, and by lots of dogs that aren't pit bulls.
What is a dog nanny?
And if my dog engaged in such behavior I'd have to take the good counsel and get rid of it.
Thank you for reminding me of why I do not post to you.
"The numbers of Pit Bulls dying in the shelters should outrage the fanciers. Instead they fight every regulation like the abortion lobby and come on sites like this one, spread lies and insult victims. "
Responsible pit bull owners ARE outraged. A lot of people I know are the ones having to euthanize these dogs. We are well aware of the problem, and we are working our butts off to fix it. The bigger problem, though, is that the ones that aren't responsible, don't care, and don't do anything are the same ones that created and perpetuate the problem, so go figure. And for this reason, I agree with you that these dogs shouldn't be as populous. They are not good for anyone who doesn't really know dogs, as no large, strong dog is.
As for the comment about the cougar killing for survival and pit bulls killing for "fun", well that's not true, either. Cats, big or small, along with dolphins, chimps, and many other animals, are known to kill for entertainment. It is all over the place in nature.
Pit bulls were bred by PEOPLE to fight other dogs. Even so, after many years of breeding fighting dogs together, these idiots still have to train their dogs to fight. Not saying they aren't more dog aggressive than other breeds, but for them to fight the way they do requires lots of training, and breeding "winning" dogs together doesn't seem to produce "winning" pups. Genetics plays a much smaller role than most would think. Otherwise there would be no need for treadmills, springpoles, and bait animals, especially after so long.
Well...I'm glad you came around on the break sticks. An educated owner is a less dangerous owner.
Well now you finally made a sensible post. What is the solution ?
I disagree about the cougars though. They may come into town and predate on a dog or even snatch a mountain biker now and then. Even when they frequent human communties they stealthily perform their predation and leave.
You don't hear about the off-territory, attack multiple victims then get dispatched by law enforcement incidents like with the Pits.
As a "Dog Expert" I'd like your opinion on his case. Why did the dogs feel compelled to chase the kids into the school when they were out of their territory?
http://www.nbc4.tv/video/9356952/detail.html
There is no logical explanation as to why they chased the kids into the school and later turned on police. Not fear, not territorial issue. I believe they were having 'FUN'. Other animals don't do this.
What is a dog nanny?
Generic Nannies...
Statist control freaks who place little value on personal freedom, responsibility or accountability.
Who believe that people can not be trusted to make correct decisions.
Who enact intrusive one-size-fits-all shotgun type laws that target the innocent as well as the guilty.
They come in many varieties, dog, food, gun, tobacco etc.
Typical MO is proscription for the "common good".
Gabz has a Nanny Ping List to help keep us informed of their machinations.
I think I understand your point about statist control freaks. But considering our different nationalities, (I visited your page) we may have slightly different hot buttons on the topic.
I would resent being told what breed of dog I can and cannot have. But then, there are certain dogs I wouldn't choose because of the way I live.
I love German Shepherds. But I have young grandchildren who love their "doggie playmate". I've found that the herding breeds aren't a good mix for this, since they're always seeking control of the motion around them. If you don't understand this, they will get vexed and you'll get in trouble with them. Since I don't want toddlers being challenged by a dog, I don't keep a shepherd. (But I might get one when the grandkids are older!)
I guess it's a question of, "How much can you really be responsible for?" I'm not going to have my eyes on any dog 24/7, so, consequently, I don't want a dog I have to worry about.
Any dog requires awareness, but some require more than others. Had my neighbors ever built a fence their dogs truly couldn't climb, we wouldn't be having this dialog. To my mind, their owners let those dogs, and mine, down.
Not sure if you are friend or foe, figuratively speaking. Do you think other breeds should also be banned. Right now I will settle for just pitbulls.
That's very thoughtful, from the standpoint of your grandchildren.
My grandparents' beloved cocker spaniel, Flossie, taught us to love dogs.
We'd visit Durango, CO every summer and Flossie was always so glad to see us.
Another heartwarming moment as a Pit mauls a Dog. Notice how the tail wagging gets quicker as the Pit Bull has the other dog by the throat.
http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1152530614/Vicious_Pitbull_Attacks_a_Weaker_Dog
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