Posted on 07/03/2006 7:10:02 PM PDT by GVnana
Can't help but think you may have spared the life of a child by pursuing this.
So glad for the progress.
~ Much love to your sweet little pet ~
As much as I appreciate the lengths which you are going to rid your neighborhood of a dog which has proven to be a danger to other dogs, it doesn't mean a child has been saved.
There is absolutely no evidence that dogs "graduate" from killing other pets to humans. No, that award goes to us. Dog aggression, although very scary, is not the same as human aggression, and should not be treated as such. There are many many dogs out there that will fight with other dogs or chase cats, but would never hurt a person.
I am not saying these dogs wouldn't, but it isn't because they're dog aggressive. More likely, if they did something like that it would be either because their owners decided to train them to be that way, beat them, or otherwise ignore them to the point that they become antisocial and dangerous.
Having said that, I personally wouldn't want my children anywhere NEAR a home that has dogs which are tied up, always in the yard, or unaltered. Regardless of the breed. I can't even count how many times I have been bitten by dogs (none of which have been pit bulls- and I've worked for vets and animal shelters)because their owners are too busy to bother socializing them.
Again, I am deeply saddened that your dog was attacked, and I hope the recovery is speedy.
"If you took this apart by breed instead of lumping an entire group together, you will see that labs and pit bulls tie."
That's just crazy talk and false. Pits lead by far in deaths, six figure maulings, shelter overloading, fluffy shredding, euthanizations in most cities and being shot for cause by law enforcement. There may be more Lab bites based on the sheer number of dogs, but they don't "finish".
Nice try...But what should one expect from a guy who lives in a situation where he cannot leave his to dogs alone together. Must be awful always having to have the break stick at the "ready"
Btw... MS Torco was a Pit Bull breeder thus the requirement for all the Pits. I wonder how many of her human agressive Pits are running around southern Maryland.
The 15 month old victim's family had just obtained the dog the day before. Probably read some "Pit Bulls are wonderful with children " propaganda.
Donald Meaker...Still using resistors?
I didn't say I saved a child. Those are the remarks of the woman who lives next door to the dogs and has been living in fear for her grandchildren.
I can't say I know what's in a dog's mind at any moment.
But after this incident, I can say what some dogs are capable of.
It is absolutely true. Labs have killed people, (yes they have, according to the CDC) and so have pit bulls. The difference is not the number, because they're the same. No amount of argument can change the FACT that the CDC DID lump several breeds together and call them all "pit bull". This is not made up, it can be researched.
You are missing the whole point. They do not lead in deaths, maulings, or even simple bites. The whole point is that you never hear about american bulldogs, bull terriers, and other pit bull lookalikes being involved in any kind of attack and it isn't because they don't. They get lumped together.
The AKC says these are all different dogs, and even though it may not recognise certain breeds like the american bulldog, it recognizes that they aren't the same as pit bulls. So yeah, if you take these breeds and divide them up with their appropriate deaths under their names, you will see very plainly that american pit bull terriers, or what everyone calls "pit bulls", have the same average as labs. Look it up.
And by the way, I am not a "guy". I have made it blatantly clear in past posts that I am a college-educated, married, home-owning woman. Obviously you do not pay attention to the things you read, which is probably why we are even having this unfortunate conversation.
I choose to keep my dogs separated. I could leave them together, but that would be irresponsible. If I am around and they are playing and it gets too rough, all I have to do is tell them to knock it off. They listen very well. Like I said, I will never own a break stick. Some may like that idea, but I prefer to stick to preventing such things from happening alltogether.
"Btw... MS Torco was a Pit Bull breeder thus the requirement for all the Pits. I wonder how many of her human agressive Pits are running around southern Maryland. "
My point exactly. Not responsible.
Secondly,
"The 15 month old victim's family had just obtained the dog the day before. Probably read some "Pit Bulls are wonderful with children " propaganda. "
Even better. So these wonderful parents buy a big, strong dog with an unknown history, take it home to their 15 month old child, and chain it to a tree, leaving the child with other children to watch her. The absolute picture of knowledge and responsibility.
Perhaps reading entire posts and entire facts is tiring for some. I find it helps ensure you don't sound foolish.
Provide links to all these Lab deaths please......
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf
CDC report for your review.... My read of it differs immensely with your dishonest claim that Labs and Pit have the same killing tendencies. It lists only a single Lab caused fatality over a 20 year period, despite the popularity of the breed. As I pointed out Pit bulls have already killed five americans in the past six months. These were no mistaken identities as the dogs were captured, observed and had their brains removed and examined.
This is my last post with you as GV's thread is deteriorating into Pit lobby propaganda. You folks are your dogs worst enemies. Instead of spreading disinformation, you should be burning the over breeders of these unstable dogs at the stake.
No, I do not worry. When I do not have control, they are in their kennels.
I do not worry about being challenged. For my own dogs, I do not get a dog I cannot control. For others' dogs, I have no issue about dealing effectively with them.
That's why I put both, I couold not remember.
Dachshunds were bred to hunt badgers. Woe to the miniature badger that comes face-to-face with my miniature dachshund, Pee Wee!
Now thats a nice rational post. Congratulations!
For your sake I hope those don't become famous last words.
You wanna get mean?
Unfortunately, you did get a dog that wasn't in your control.
Now that just wasn't very Christian...
GV made a mistake by letting her harmless doggie wander, but she didn't deserve to have it shredded by the neighbors monsters.
You've yet to acknowledge the real perps in this case. The neighbors who harbored two known dangerous Pit bulls, maintaining no insurance with a known escapable fence situation. Gotta love the way they worked the landlord into their liability umbrella too.
This is happening way too much.
"How much time and effort does it require for you to ignore the 800 lb. gorilla?"
P.S. Your attitude doesn't help your argument.
That is because your "read" doesn't show all breeds. Labs, Goldens, and even Chespeake Bay Retrievers have all killed people, but are given their own individual spot, whereas "pit bull type", taken directly from the CDC's site, comprises at least seven different breeds, but may be more. Don't think for a second there has never been a death by an English Bull Terrier, or a Cane Corso, or an American Bulldog. Where are those numbers?? Lumped up into "pit bull type". THAT is my point. Not that labs/retrievers are killing people left and right.
Secondly, you could examine brains all day and not find a single difference in a pit bull and a labrador. The only reason they would have to examine the head at all would be for rabies, not breed. The ONLY way to know for sure what breed ANY dog is would be to have registration papers from a reputable organization, such as the AKC or UKC.
And by the way, every day I am on a pit bull forum that not only promotes responsible ownership, but we are constantly educating idiots that come on there and want to get a fighting dog, or a guard dog, and we're ALWAYS stopping back yard breeders. We don't just sit around and complain. We are the ones out doing good for the breed. We are doing absolutely as much as we can, and that includes coming to places like this to educate people like you.
Thanks for the reply, but getting dangerous breed information from a dog lobbiest is like getting lung cancer info from the tobacco companies.
Here's thirty days worth of sweet pit bull hi jinx:
Pit Bulls Go on Rampage, Injure 2 Adults in KC 7-6-2006
8 Year-old TN Boy Severely Mauled by Pit Bull 7-1-2006
7 Year-old Arkansas City, KS Girl Severely Injured in Pit Bull Attack 7-5-2006
Pit Bull Attacks 9 Year-old College Station, TX 7-3-2006
Police Kill Pit Bull that Sent Two Richmond, IL Residents to the Hospital 7-5-2006
Pit Bulls Go on Rampage and Attack 3 Atlanta, GA Men 7-5-2006
Ohio Police Officer Shoots Pit Bull that Attacked Dog Warden Twice 7-1-2006
Bethany, OK Police Shoot and Kill Pit Bull 7-4-2006
Police Shoot Pit Bull after it Attacked Two People in Brookline, PA 6-29-2006
Erie, PA Officer Seriously Hurt by Pit Bull Attack. Officers shoot and kill dog. 7-1-2006
Owner of Pit Bull uses Dog as Weapon and Attacks Two People 6-28-2006
Wisconsin Man Attacked by Neighbors Pit Bull 6-30-2006
Seattle Woman and Police Officer Attacked by Pit Bull 6-27-2006
5 Year-old Georgia Boy Seriously Hurt in Pit Bull Attack 6-30-2006
Amaya Hess, Mauled by Pit Bull in May is Still Critical and Faces Reconstructive Surgery 6-30-2006
Pit Bull Mauls Boy, Second Injures Officer 6-23-2006
Pit Bull is Shot Dead by Officer in Toledo 6-23-2006
Wisconsin Woman and Her Dog Attacked by Pit Bull 6-23-2006
Police Forced to Shoot Pit Bulls after Florida Man
Unleashes them on Officers 6-26-2006
Pit Bull Attacks Senior Citizen 6-23-2006
Pit Bulls Attack Humans and Pets in Key West 6-23-2006
Independence Police Shoot Another Aggressive Pit Bull 6-22-2006
Pit Bull Jumps Fence and Attacks Olathe Boy 6-21-2006
Police Shoot Pit Bull in Nappa Valley, CA after Attack 6-21-2006
1 Year-old, Javlyin Anderson, Killed by Pit Bull in Mississippi 6-15-2006, 15 Month-old Killed by Pit Bull
Pit Bull Mauls 88 Year-old Lowell, MA Man 6-15-2006
Boise Police Shoot Pit Bull After it Attacks a Woman 6-17-2006
4 Year-old Boy Savagely Attacked by Pit Bull 6-13-2006
Pit Bull Used as Weapon During a Fight in Independence;
Police Forced to Kill Blue Springs Examiner 6-16-2006
Police Kill Pit Bull in Independence KCTV5 6-16-2006
Woman and Her Dog Attacked by Pit Bulls 6-15-2006
Two Year-old Kentucky Boy Attacked by Pit Bull 6-15-2006
Mike McGraw, 34, Attacked by Pit Bulls in Indianapolis 6-15-2006
27 Year-old, Shawn McCafferty Killed by Pit Bulls 6-13-2006
Pack of Pit Bulls Maul Man to Death,
Man Mauled to Death by Pit Bulls,
Investigation Concludes - Death Caused by Pit Bulls
Pit Bulls Attack 11 Year-old Girl While in School 6-9-2006
11-Year-old San Fernando Girl Mauled by Pit Bulls at School
Girl Recovering From Severe Injuries After Surgery Video Included 6-12-2006
Pit Bulls Attack 11 Year-old Boy in Tucson 6-10-2006
Police Shoot and Kill Pit Bull After Attacking Denver Police 6-9-2006
Police Kill Pit Bull After Attack on a 24 Year-old Woman 6-8-2006
Police Shoot Pit Bull After it Attacks Officers, IN 6-6-2006
Pit Bull Attacks 7 Year-old, Destiny Dayson in Grand Rapids, MI 6-5-2006
Boulder, CO Officer Kills Pit Bull After Attack on Two People 6-3-2006
Lovely work taking headlines and copying them. Do I really have to go through all these and show you how many of them are the same story like I did last time?
According to statistics obtained through the CDC, approximately four million dog bites/attacks occur each and every year, reported or not. So that's about three hundred thirty three thousand a month, and I would bet big bucks that most "pit bull attacks" bites, whatever, get reported and have their fifteen minutes in the spotlight. So what about the three hundred thirty two thousand, nine hundred and fourty or so that weren't pit bulls?
Interestingly enough, although pits represent about ten percent of the population of dogs, statistics PROVE that they only contribute about one to three percent of the dog bites. Cocker spaniels, labs, and dalmations take the lead. The only difference is that these dogs don't sell the news. They don't have locking jaws with 2000 psi, skin thick enough for bullets to bounce off of, or brains too big for their skulls. LOL!
You snippy attitude set me off. Either it can be blamed on the difficulty in conveying inflection with written word, or you intentionally were flippant with the "prayer". I get similar "prayers" from people whhen they hear I ride a motorcycle, so my tolerance is wore thin.
Also, I don't need any slack. I wasn't the one who allowed there dog to run around without a leash.
I understand that you have always allowed it and nothing happened until now, but you must understand that each time you allowed your dog to run without your control, you were risking your dog's life. The risk didn't pay off this time.
I mean no harm nor ill will. I hope we let this pass and should we ever meet, we become good friends. We'll have to agree to not let our dogs meet, though.
My attitude was strained when you allowed a breed of dog to be maligned.
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