Posted on 06/28/2006 8:02:28 AM PDT by Tancred
Ok, so that is why some of us are working so hard to build a larger right to carry concealed weapons for individuals that take a courses. Americans are as free only as we can protect ourselves knowing well, that the government cannot. Law enforcement is only good for investigating a crime. The right to protect ourself is guaranteed in the Constitution.
'Yeah, Britian is so safe, the law wants people to hide under their beds or lock their bedroom doors when they have a burglar in their home. Here, we shoot their asses.'
Simply not true. I have two shotguns and a .303 rifle in my home. The law allows me to use reasonable force to apprehend a burglar. That means if he is armed I may shoot him in self-defence. If he attacks me I may shoot him in self-defence. If he is unarmed and running away, I may not shoot him.
You only have to compare 62 firearm related murders in Britain per year with 8259 in the US to know that civillians armed with handguns result in more deaths of innocent Americans, not less.
You shouldn't believe everything you read about the UK, just as i don't believe everything I read about your country!
have.
You're lucky you weren't brought up on charges like Antonio Caeiro, or Tony Martin, just to name two.
Oops. I meant to say "I have."
in the US, for the most part, and certainly in "red" state cities, we don't have rampaging 'youths' terrorizing people on buses.
Ever been on a bus in a big city almost anywhere in the U.S. when school gets out? RIOTS READY TO HAPPEN with one wrong stare, one wrong move, eye contact not solicited.
Most of the passengers either immediately start reading or close their eyes as if napping.
It'll get worse. It's just a matter of time.
'No it's not. Most violent crime...especially murder by a criminal wielding a handgun takes place within a very well defined demographic. If you remove black on black crime (usually a black teenager shooting another black teen) our violent crime rate shrinks considerably. Where I live it all but disappears.'
That applies even more so here in Britain - we in the UK are 92.1% white anglo-saxon whereas the US your population is only 81.7% white including latins and in the low 70's if you exclude latins. The criminal demographic defined by you is much smaller in the UK than the US.
Good one...
The names I mentioned in my post # 124 Are actual stories about just how bad it's getting in Britain.? IIRC, there was an article a couple of days ago posted here where a man was charged with selling a minor a knife.
Thank goodness their were no muslimes involve.......then it could have really gotten ugly (but not reported)
'I do recall FReepers pointing out that 30 people running away from six thugs who were beating a man to death for coming to their defense are cowards.'
I fully agree with you on that point - most Brits would have intervened. Belgium is not a proper country anyway!
I don't know what the buses in London are like. In Birmingham (UK) 3/4 of the bus-riders on the lower deck on the 88 route are women and old people: I wouldn't expect them to go all mob-handed on a gang of muggers. I would guess the Belgian bus was full of women and old people too
Nice work with the golf-club BTW. As one secretly-armed Briton to another, I hope you used a "throw-down" weapon, like a cheap putter, rather than an expensive Callaway Driver :0)
These pathetic cowards get the miserable existence they deserve.
current events on how local prosecution and judicial members carry out their jobs tell me otherwise.
Not to be a jerk, but its not too hard too see where we are heading; regardless of CC laws.
Two points I would like to make about this statement.
One, total numbers don't tell the whole story, as the rate per x number of population is a more telling figure. The US population is over 300 million, vs. quite a bit less for the UK. Plus, the "handgun murder rate" will differ from the overall murder rate (murders committed using any kind of weapon, including bare hands).
Second, not all handgun deaths are innocent victims. We have a gentleman in our midst named Jeff Cooper who has written extensively about guns, self defense, and other issues (I highly recommend reading some of his material, such as the book "To Ride, Shoot Straight, and Tell the Truth). He says there is something called the "good riddance factor", which is when punks and thugs kill each other, thus doing society a favor.
'You're lucky you weren't brought up on charges like Antonio Caeiro, or Tony Martin, just to name two.'
Haven't heard of Antonio - can you post a link?
As for Tony Martin, he shot a minor who was running away from him twice in the back with a shotgun. That is not reasonable force here.
"It happens, but it's not very common, and decent folks step in and do something about it rather than run away."
BS
At the next stop thirty sheeple fled the bus...
I've been to Antwerpen. It never struck me as being a violent city.
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