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To: AzaleaCity5691
1. Lincoln had his faults, but he is far from a tyrant. He did what had to be done considering the circumstances. No I don't buy into the "Saint Lincoln" myth, but I do regard him as a man of courage, intelligence, and leadership. Jeff Davis, on the other hand, was a fine Secretary of War.

2. Sherman, on the other hand, deserves nothing but respect and admiration for FIGHTING TO WIN and by destroying infrastructure that allowed the U.S. Army to win a quicker victory than would have been possible.

My own belief is that the Civil War/War of Northern Aggression/War of Southern Treason was a TRAGEDY that COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED had the Henry Clays of the world won out over the Sumners/Calhouns, etc. Thanks to a bunch of egotistical hotheads who made the political personal and the personal polticial, tens of thousands of young American men, north and south, had to die.

I don't glorify the civil war. I do, however, cast my lot with the U.S. Government, which was FIRED ON by a bunch of misguided separatists in South Carolina.

50 posted on 06/14/2006 7:33:48 PM PDT by Clemenza (The CFR ate my bilderburgers! Time to call for a trilateral commission to investigate!)
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To: Clemenza

"In the three months that followed the election of Abraham Lincoln, seven states seceded from the Union: South Carolina, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana and Texas. Representatives from these seven states quickly established a new political organization, the Confederate States of America."

So Fort Sumner was no longer located in the USA and they were requested to leave, but refused. Sounds like the Federal Government was looking to start a fight to me. States did have the right to secede from the Union.


158 posted on 06/14/2006 9:25:34 PM PDT by thebaron512
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To: Clemenza

Well put.

Anyone who thinks secession was constitutional needs to re-read the Constitution and perhaps look at the Webster-Hayne debates. Andrew Jackson had it right--- nullification is, was and barring amendment will remain unconstitutional.


189 posted on 06/15/2006 3:02:10 AM PDT by mjolnir ("All great change in America begins at the dinner table.")
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To: Clemenza

If the Civil War happened today, which side would claim the space station? And how would the sides go about fighting for it?

(Come on, we all know it belongs to America! Remember back when we were going to call it "Space Station Freedom" before the reign of King Bill?)

Thought this would be a fun discussion to add to the mix!


510 posted on 06/16/2006 12:20:39 PM PDT by creton4 (--Andy.)
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