Wonderful logic.
All hail the writers! Dare not they be questioned!!
Posted on 06/14/2006 5:58:12 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
Confederate flags flown aboard the international space station — and seemingly signed by a NASA astronaut — showed up last week on the online auction site eBay.
The original eBay listing indicated that the 4-by-6-inch flags were brought aboard the space station by Russian cosmonaut Salizhan Sharipov in 2004, and an accompanying photo showed a sample flag that seemed to bear Sharipov’s signature as well as that of Leroy Chiao, his NASA colleague on the station. Yet another photo showed several of the rebel flags floating in a space station module.
The item was pulled from the auction on Monday by the seller, Alex Panchenko of USSR-Russian Air-Space Collectibles Inc. in Los Angeles — and on Tuesday, Panchenko told MSNBC.com that he removed the items from sale because he had concluded the flag and the authentication documents were forgeries.
However, Robert Pearlman, editor and founder of CollectSpace, said he believes the flags are authentic.
“The picture taken of the flags aboard the station says a lot,” he said. “It would be difficult to fake, given the style and I couldn't see the motivation to do so.” The “onboard-the-ISS” stamp, added Pearlman, is not known to have been counterfeited anywhere."
The disappearance of the flags followed a round of criticism over the weekend from former space scientist Keith Cowing, publisher of NASA Watch, an independent Web log. He cited the Confederate flags as an example of “bad judgment on the ISS.”
“You'd think that someone on the U.S. side of the ISS program would have expressed some concern about flying a symbol on the ISS that many Americans associate with slavery,” Cowing wrote.
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Evidence of said crimes, please.
the longstanding rule of all military forces is "an officer is RESPONSIBLE for everything that his subordinates do or fail to do" of those under his command.
Hundreds of GI's were jailed or executed in the European Theater in WWII for crimes against civilians--rapes, murders, etc. Did we hang their commanders? No, because a military officer who gives a lawful order is not responsible for the criminal act of one who violates that clear order.
By the way, watch this, this is how you cite a source: The info on the GI's prosecuted in Europe is in "Stolen Valor" by J.G. Burkett, in the chapter on the "Good War."
Educate me by citing a historical source for any assertion you've made in this thread.
I ran the capitalized words in his post through a decryption program, and I keep getting "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine." Is ovaltine a Southern company?
Dan Brown's next blockbuster: "The STAND WATIE Code."
A thrilling adventure of people who back the wrong horse, and after the fact use complicated and irrational codes to cover up not only their staggering failures to perform, but also their stunningly bad choices.
Wonderful logic.
All hail the writers! Dare not they be questioned!!
Your comment does not address my issue. Banning the Confederate flag because of slavery is ridiculous. If you're going to ban flags that flew over slavery, then you're going to be banning Ole Glory as well. You avoid this issue rather poorly.
And your simplistic view of the Civil War is laughable. You swallow the lie that the war was over slavery? Surely you jest? No one but the most sophomoric of minds still believes that one. That line is for the NAACP, democrats pandering to their base, or Republicans who think it will get them great press reviews.
Do us a favor and get your head out of public school history books and learn something real before it is too late.
So what DID the confederacy launch the war over if not slavery? Oh wait! Let me guess! States rights, right?
> If you're going to ban flags that flew over slavery
You miss the point. Whether you do so because you simply misundewrstood, or because you *choose* to misunderstand, I can't say. But here's the thing: the US flag was not *sp[ecifically* about armed conflict to defend the practice of slavery. The Confederate battle flag, however, *is.*
> You swallow the lie that the war was over slavery?
I suggest you read the declarations of secession. The
Southerners were quite clear on why they seceeded.
http://aun.aescir.net/session.htm
when it became obvious that NO DAMNyankee on these threads was really interested in REAL research & only wanted to spew out their SELF-righteous,hate-FILLED, arrogant, REVISIONIST lies & UNtutored,anti-southern prejudice, i stopped going to the trouble. the last straw was when one of the "leaders of the unionists on FR", "whiskey papa", stated that the OFFICIAL records of the US Army were just "rebel myths & lies" and "just can't be trusted".
i note that your responses are devoid of primary source information. secondary sources impress NOBODY, who is a scholar of the period. frankly, i couldn't care less what some "academic" at Harvard or elsewhere thinks, absent ORIGONAL source documentation. frankly, it was my experience in grad school that "scholars" were just as likely to lie as "non scholarly" persons.
free dixie,sw
that's what haters do. they HATE.
free dixie,sw
you should know better.
free dixie,sw
FEW people (except the authors of course) then/now thought the "declarations" important, or for that matter even read them.
had the authors written "Mary Had a Little Lamb", instead of the "declarations", their rantings would have had just as much importance (i.e. NONE) to scholars & to the causes of the war.
the war was about the southland's citizens seceding from a federal government, which they believed no longer was acting in their "best self interest".
free dixie,sw
Too bad you were not around in the 1860s to tell the big shots of Mississippi what they really were concerned about. Here's a quote from the Mississippi Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union.
"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world."
I like the South. But the South and the Confederacy are not the same thing. It is because I like the South so much that I so despise the CSA, slavery and the corruption and misery it has inflicted on the region.
Of course they were the rantings of a few slave owners. But in old Dixieland, the rantings of a few slave owners were the law and too many Southern boys followed those rantings and walked into sacrifice for the selfishness of the plantation gang.
First, that is a lie. When we first discussed Sherman, I pointed to a page that had the text of Sherman's written order. The fact that I didn't go get an actual copy of it and scan it in for you doesn't mean diddly.
Second, you whine about "not having time to do all that research" but you expect me to truck myself to various historical depositories to examine the originals. Sorry, you can't have it both ways.
Third, you're just covering your butt. I don't want to hear you whine about how some "Damn Yankkes" didn't dig your sources in the past. It's probably just another lie, but more to the point, this is now, this is me, and I'm asking for evidence. Post it or shut up.
the slavers spoke for NOBODY but themselves = the 5-6% of southerners that owned slaves. (about the same percentage of northerners were SLAVERS!)
given the slavers proclivity to collaborate with the invaders, to protect their "right to trade in human flesh" (MANY received WRITTEN guarantees of "protecting their right to own humans, permanently" from the DY high command.), had our ancestors WON the war, they would have been NEXT on the list of ENEMIES of dixie freedom.
free dixie,sw
in other words, i'm NOT going to "take time off from work" to suit your "commands", when you refuse to post your source documents.
try another tack. this one won't fly, as too many people here on these threads remember the HATE-filled, MEAN-spirited responses to my posting of the original source data.
face it, Mr S, the south-HATERS on FR do NOT desire to know the truth, they just want to rant & post HATE-filled, KNOWING lies. free dixie,sw
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