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Confederate flags on space station draw ire
MSNBC ^ | 6/13/06 | James Oberg

Posted on 06/14/2006 5:58:12 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom

Confederate flags flown aboard the international space station — and seemingly signed by a NASA astronaut — showed up last week on the online auction site eBay.

The original eBay listing indicated that the 4-by-6-inch flags were brought aboard the space station by Russian cosmonaut Salizhan Sharipov in 2004, and an accompanying photo showed a sample flag that seemed to bear Sharipov’s signature as well as that of Leroy Chiao, his NASA colleague on the station. Yet another photo showed several of the rebel flags floating in a space station module.

The item was pulled from the auction on Monday by the seller, Alex Panchenko of USSR-Russian Air-Space Collectibles Inc. in Los Angeles — and on Tuesday, Panchenko told MSNBC.com that he removed the items from sale because he had concluded the flag and the authentication documents were forgeries.

However, Robert Pearlman, editor and founder of CollectSpace, said he believes the flags are authentic.

“The picture taken of the flags aboard the station says a lot,” he said. “It would be difficult to fake, given the style and I couldn't see the motivation to do so.” The “onboard-the-ISS” stamp, added Pearlman, is not known to have been counterfeited anywhere."

The disappearance of the flags followed a round of criticism over the weekend from former space scientist Keith Cowing, publisher of NASA Watch, an independent Web log. He cited the Confederate flags as an example of “bad judgment on the ISS.”

“You'd think that someone on the U.S. side of the ISS program would have expressed some concern about flying a symbol on the ISS that many Americans associate with slavery,” Cowing wrote.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: civilwar; confederateflag; dixie; iss; losers; nasa; neoconfederate; pcpatrol; rebs; rednecksinspaaaaaace; slavestates; z
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To: WildHorseCrash
When did they launch a double wide into space???

You can tell the Confederate Space Station from the International Space Station because it's the one with a rusting Ford Torino up on blocks in front.

321 posted on 06/15/2006 9:57:55 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Hunble
The people of America's South are very proud of their history.


Your right. I am not from the south but my grandparent's are. And while I do not fly the "stars and bars" for fear of having my house torched. I have the flag for the "Pride of Dixie".
322 posted on 06/15/2006 10:18:36 AM PDT by Isabelle
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To: Non-Sequitur
So how do you account for that?

You accounted for it yourself using inflated dollars and noting that the North had to find a new source for the products it lost when the South left the Union.
323 posted on 06/15/2006 10:21:33 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: stand watie; orionblamblam
a.NONE of the so-called "declarations" were EVER officially recognized state documents.

b.few were read by anyone but the authors of those documents.

c.the documents spoke for the opinions of NOBODY but the private persons who wrote them.

Yeah, those are a real embarrassment for your side, aren't they? I can see why you want to distance yourself from them, what with all that talk about protecting slave property being the overwhelming reason for secession. But you're wrong when you say that they're documents with no standing. They were drafted by committees appointed by the secession conventions. They were debated, then adopted by the conventions with, apparently, unanimous votes. They are as legitimately a product of the conventions as the actual acts of secession were.

324 posted on 06/15/2006 10:25:48 AM PDT by Heyworth
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To: AzaleaCity5691
More than that, the war was not about slavery at all, and unlike the union, the Confederacy had no problem commissioning officers, buying and selling those who were of African descent

There, fixed your spelling errors.

325 posted on 06/15/2006 10:32:12 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: stand watie

> it was ONLY about LIBERTY & freedom

Yeah... I don't think so.

The War Of Southron Aggression was all about slavery. Their own words bear that out.


326 posted on 06/15/2006 10:34:43 AM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
You can tell the Confederate Space Station from the International Space Station because it's the one with a rusting Ford Torino up on blocks in front.

No the Confederate Space Station would be completely finished, making a profit, and providing a service, as it would more than likely have been privately funded. The ISS is over budget, hardly working, and a sinkhole for taxpayers' dollars, as it is a government project. And one thing you can thank the Whigs Republicans for is the mistaken belief that government should be in the business of providing 'internal improvements' for subjects citizens of the State

327 posted on 06/15/2006 10:38:01 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: AzaleaCity5691
The war was rooted in conflicts over tariffs that had their root in the nullification crisis of 1832. The North was jealous of the high society that the South had managed to create, especially in it's urban ports.

And the South was jealous of the industrial might of the North while they were still stuck in an agricultural feudal society, not much different from the feudal societies of the Middle Ages.

328 posted on 06/15/2006 10:42:44 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
the one with a rusting Ford Torino up on blocks in front.

Ford Torinos don't rust in the vacuum of space...and the blocks aren't needed...they are just for show. :)
329 posted on 06/15/2006 10:43:02 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Tokra
not much different from the feudal societies of the Middle Ages.

The same society the produced The Hunley?

And the North had water...lots of it. You need that for industry. The South had farmland...lots of it. You need that for agriculture...along with cheap labor. Spot the difference?
330 posted on 06/15/2006 10:45:26 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: P-40
...lacking the easy access to vast quantities of fresh water...

Too bad the Mississippi River did not contain fresh water prior to the Civil War.

331 posted on 06/15/2006 10:46:48 AM PDT by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: Heyworth
Yeah, those are a real embarrassment for your side, aren't they?

No, they are an interesting historical window into another time that presents the concerns of those that had a lot of property and business to lose. Why would we be embarrassed?
332 posted on 06/15/2006 10:48:34 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: CurlyBill
These folks from the south... the people who are always chastised and denigrated by the orionblamblams and clemenzas of the world are the ones who almost single-handedly kept Algore and John F'n Kerry out of the White House!

I think you better take another look. I see plenty of red in the North and I see blue in the South. We in the North did just as much, if not more, to keep those idiots out of the White House.

333 posted on 06/15/2006 10:49:10 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV
Too bad the Mississippi River did not contain fresh water prior to the Civil War.

Too bad we did not have a lot of them.
334 posted on 06/15/2006 10:49:21 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Tokra

I think he was talking about the electoral map. But the northern states did do a lot also to keep that disaster from happening.


335 posted on 06/15/2006 10:51:40 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: P-40
You accounted for it yourself using inflated dollars and noting that the North had to find a new source for the products it lost when the South left the Union.

Nonsense. Using the claims of your sources, that the North only generated one quarter of all tariff reveune, inflation alone would account for an increase from $13.25 million dollars in 1860 to somewhat less than $29.8 million in 1864. Far short of the $103 million collected. Your sources also claim that since the south was responsible for virtually all exports then it directly generated the imports as well. So what kind of export did the North come up with that replaced the southern agricultural products? Not only replaced them but apparently generated 8 times as much export value.

Or could it have been that the North accounted for virtually all import demand all along? Do you suppose that could be the answer?

336 posted on 06/15/2006 10:52:56 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: P-40
And the North had water...lots of it. You need that for industry. The South had farmland...lots of it. You need that for agriculture...along with cheap labor. Spot the difference?

Both sides needed cheap labor. The south owned theirs. Spot the difference?

337 posted on 06/15/2006 10:55:32 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

To put it another way...you are trying to compare a united nation at peacetime to a divided nation at war. Those are two different animals.


338 posted on 06/15/2006 10:57:15 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Both sides needed cheap labor. The south owned theirs. Spot the difference?

The South needed vast amounts of cheap labor while the North needed relatively little. Cheap labor was critical to the South but less so to the North. Both side owned their labor. That the North gave theirs up before the war does not change the fact that they owned it and actively engaged in importing it.
339 posted on 06/15/2006 11:00:12 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Tokra

Uh no, you've just been brainwashed by Northern schools who hold up Lincoln and Grant as heroes while they demonize two of our country's better Presidents: Rutherford Hayes and Andrew Johnson.


340 posted on 06/15/2006 11:15:03 AM PDT by AzaleaCity5691 (6-6-06 A victory for reason)
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