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Linux? Windows? Huh?
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Posted on 06/12/2006 5:41:51 AM PDT by N3WBI3

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1 posted on 06/12/2006 5:41:54 AM PDT by N3WBI3
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To: N3WBI3; ShadowAce; Tribune7; frogjerk; Salo; LTCJ; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; amigatec; Fractal Trader; ..

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2 posted on 06/12/2006 5:42:36 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: N3WBI3

Truth is, for personal use, I like Windows. Even when I have Linux, I like to run it in windows (XWindows?) mode.

IF it is a server, however, I love unix or linux.


3 posted on 06/12/2006 5:48:38 AM PDT by Little Ray (If you want to be a martyr, we want to martyr you.)
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To: N3WBI3
I've got four servers at home. Because of their various roles, two run Win2K3 and two run Ubuntu (server-flavor) Linux.

I've got several workstations running everything from Win98SE through WinME to WinXP.

Yesterday, my primary desktop went from XP to Ubuntu, and I'm loving it! My laptop still has XP on it, and I'll likely be tethered to Microsoft forever because of my clientele and my skillset.

The article is exactly right, though. It took me about 10 minutes to install Ubuntu over the top of XP with no custom configuring.

4 posted on 06/12/2006 6:21:45 AM PDT by Egon (We are number one! All others are number two... or lower.)
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To: Egon; N3WBI3
Good read. My Dell e1705 came with an unbelievable amount of garbage installed, it took at least 5 minutes to boot. Once I reinstalled xp it booted in 30-40 seconds. It is worth mentioning that one usually has to ask for the xp reinstall CD when they buy their computer. Some companies even charge you for it.

Did any of you install Ubuntu Dapper from the live cd to dual boot Ubuntu and xp? I really like this distribution and would like install it as a dual boot system.
5 posted on 06/12/2006 6:34:45 AM PDT by ol painless (ol' painless is out of the bag)
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To: N3WBI3
I have also recently installed the latest release of Ubuntu Linux and have found that its ease of use is second to no other OS I’ve used as of yet.

Whoever wrote this clearly doesn't use wireless networking.

When you (as a first time computer user) get a new Windows computer, the first time you boot you get the following:

All this is true and pretty terrible, but it's the fault of the OEMs who make money from including all the trial versions of the various junk. A fresh install of XP from a Microsoft (not OEM vendor) CD includes none of that junk. And if Dell, HP, etc. ever started offering Linux on their home systems, it would have all the junk bundled with it too.

6 posted on 06/12/2006 6:46:52 AM PDT by Turbopilot (Nothing in the above post is or should be construed as legal research, analysis, or advice.)
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To: N3WBI3

I recommend US products not foreign fakes. Since the MSM has fallen out of love with Linux I see you're resorting to blogs.


7 posted on 06/12/2006 7:47:37 AM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: Golden Eagle

Welcome back.


8 posted on 06/12/2006 7:59:53 AM PDT by ol painless (ol' painless is out of the bag)
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To: Golden Eagle
Which Distro does Dell use?

What was the nationality of that companies founder?

Where is that company located?

BTW Welcome back, I hope days spent in the trolls corner taught you a little civility..

9 posted on 06/12/2006 8:05:17 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: Turbopilot
Whoever wrote this clearly doesn't use wireless networking.

Issues with wireless networking are almost entirely dependent upon the wireless card you have. Some cards have native support, for which, I've actually found it easier dealing with wireless than it is with windows. If you have an unsupported card, NDISWrappers works great, though it can be a pain to deal with when upgrading kernels.

The reason there is so much trouble with wireless cards is complex, but most of the problem can be layed at the feet of the FCC, which has regulations in place that the networking companies claim will not let them open up their cards for use with Linux. Personally I think their reasoning is not quite on the level, but we just have learned to deal with it.

10 posted on 06/12/2006 9:18:20 AM PDT by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place.)
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This was on a pretty new notebook with a built-in Intel Pro 2200b/g card, which is as close to a generic standard as it gets. In searching various forums, distro wikis, etc. I learned that I either do or do not need NDISWrapper and I either can or cannot use it while booted from a LiveCD. Obviously I didn't get very far with that.

The other problem is wireless security. As far as I could tell none of the distros I tried supported WPA2, or even WPA. I may have tried disabling security with a couple distros, but I was never able to connect and I'm not willing to give up security anyway.

It's a shame, because I had gotten curious and really wanted to try Linux as an experiment. I figured as long as I could boot and get online, I could look up how to do everything else. But I finally had to give up on it after enough web searching convinced me that it wasn't just me - Linux appears to make wi-fi tough on everyone.

The distros I tried and failed to get online with were Knoppix 4.0.2, MEPIS 3.4.3, Ubuntu 5.10, SuSe 9.3, and SuSe 10.0. If you know of one that is up to speed with native wi-fi support, by all means let us know.

11 posted on 06/12/2006 10:19:31 AM PDT by Turbopilot (Nothing in the above post is or should be construed as legal research, analysis, or advice.)
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My laptop has an Intel 2200 card. What you need to make it work is firmware.

The page for the Intel 2200 drivers is at  http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/

You need the IPW2200 binary firmware image. The firmware can be obtained here. Download the appropos firmware, and copy the files to

/lib/firmware/

I'm not sure why the firmware can't be a part of the distribution, but you can probably thank someone in washington for that.

12 posted on 06/12/2006 10:54:28 AM PDT by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place.)
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To: Turbopilot

BTW, I've got the latest knoppix (v5.0) and kubuntu at home. I'll let you know if they work natively on my laptop.


13 posted on 06/12/2006 10:55:34 AM PDT by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place.)
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To: Golden Eagle
I recommend US products not foreign fakes.

How is Linux a "foreign fake"?

14 posted on 06/12/2006 11:29:02 AM PDT by Señor Zorro ("The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"--Qui-Gon Jinn)
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To: Señor Zorro

Please don't feed the resident troll. :-) He just got back from a forced FR vacation.


15 posted on 06/12/2006 11:32:20 AM PDT by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place.)
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To: Egon

What do you run on your Windows servers? MS SQL Server?

Just curious why.


16 posted on 06/12/2006 11:34:12 AM PDT by 1L
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What do you run on your Windows servers? MS SQL Server?

Just curious why.

One of them is a Windows Domain server (previously Windows NT 4.0). My network started out as strictly Windows. It also serves as an ASP platform, and FTP server (a holdover from my strictly Windows days).

The other is more of a File/Database server. It runs SQLServer and several MSAccess databases, as well as SourceSafe. It serves as the central repository for installs, sourcecode, work files, documents, photos, music, TiVo shared files, etc.

The first Linux server is strictly a firewall. The other handles HTTP, routing, DNS, etc.

...and of course, all of them fold!

17 posted on 06/12/2006 12:18:38 PM PDT by Egon (We are number one! All others are number two... or lower.)
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To: N3WBI3

I still prefer OS/X, but Ubuntu Linux is very, very good. Highly recommended to anyone who has an older PC or notebook they want to get more life out of.


18 posted on 06/12/2006 12:29:31 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: N3WBI3
Ah, what a relief. I see "Big Bird" is back.

As a fan of both operating systems, I was just starting to enjoy the comparisons again, sans the Microsoft boot-licking rhetoric.

Sigh. All good things must come to an end, I suppose.

19 posted on 06/12/2006 12:32:59 PM PDT by Egon (We are number one! All others are number two... or lower.)
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To: Egon

Yea I know what you mean, I had someone ask me if I minded to lower volume after he left but all we were really missing was the noice in signal-to-noise..

Oh well if history is to be used as a guide he will take a forced leave from teh board at some point in the future (this is not even in the first half dozen times he has been banned over the past two years..


20 posted on 06/12/2006 12:44:37 PM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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