Posted on 06/08/2006 2:03:55 PM PDT by Mike Nifong
The motion also says the alleged victim told Durham police that she had performed for a couple at a Raleigh hotel hours before the Duke lacrosse party. She told police that she used a vibrator. Osborn suggests that could be the source of the vaginal injuries mentioned in the rape kit report. (snip) Osborn says the accuser gave conflicting accounts of what happened. The motion says medical records indicate she told a doctor that she used no alcohol or drugs. The accuser told the sexual assault nurse that she had consumed one drink of alcohol and was taking Flexeril, a prescription drug used to treat muscle spasms.
The alleged victim told a doctor the next day at UNC Hospitals that "she was drunk and had had a lot of alcohol that night," the motion said.
She later told police that she had consumed a 24-ounce bottle of beer and then told police she had two 22-ounce bottles of beer, according to the motion.
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That's hysterical, and so is your tag line!!! :> The father is such a transparent liar, and such a drama queen!
I don't.
They haven't respected the attorney-client relationship in the past, so why would they start now as they become increasingly desperate?
LOL!
I am wondering if Johnson is the "boyfriend" whose DNA was found on the AV and did he drive her home from the hospital.
She's a busy "little girl." How does she juggle all these appointments to feed her children and maintain a 3.0 at NCCU? /sarc.
I interpret it as meaning that she won't be testifying. That would also include a civil suit. If this is true (and of course it's not), this would be a good time to file a civil suit against her.
I think that's a by-product - frosting on the cake. The defense attorneys are serious about this motion. It's quite damaging. If Nifong doesn't answer it, he's really going to be in deep dung.
The attorney-client privilege is sacrosanct in American law. It crosses state lines and all borders. It's unethical to try to back-door the principle, and it doesn't matter if they're suspects or witnesses. If somebody is represented, end of conversation.
This is a load of bull, courtesy of N&O: "The accuser, an escort service dancer, spent the weekend going from an appointment at a North Raleigh hotel to a Hillsborough strip club to a hotel near Duke to one in downtown Raleigh, according to the filings. The string of assignations ended at the Monday-night party."
Mangum did an interview for the N&O early on in which she said the gig at the lax house was her first private dance gig, that she had worked for the escort service for two months going on one-one-one dates three times per week. So, they know she's not an exotic dancer for the escort service, and by now they know about the claims that the driver made about driving her to "appointments" at hotels, including using a vibrator to entertain one couple that same night.
So, the N&O is pulling this crap about "exotic dancer for an escort service" out of their own bias to do the best they can for her image.
Why can't the bastards just tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may? Is everybody so intimidated by blacks that they're afraid to tell the truth, or are they so suckered by the "black victimhood/whitey owes us" mantra that they actually believe the shit they write?
Yes, I saw it in the earlier post. It's not clear if she didn't want to go home or if she didn't want to be with him (Johnson), otherwise why wouldn't she just tell Johnson to take her to his place or a girlfriend's or whatever? Johnson doesn't explain what was bugging her as to why she got out and started walking. usually when a woman does that it's because they're mad at the guy they're with. But yeah, without an explanation, it sounds kind of crazy.
Some are 18, some are 19. Their lives (and careers) have been severely interupted.
I'm saying they scare or intimidate one of these kids (or just make the attempt). The prosecution team has to be thinking there's 47 of these guys and many are teenagers. We only need one.
Scare them with statements like "we'll never stop investigating you?"; wouldn't you like to have everything get back to normal?; you can make this all go away; we know what happened, Frankie told us about the pot. He told us all about it. Do you want to go to Duke ever again?
Or Joe, Sam, and Brian have decided to put a stop to all this and work with us. If you join them, you 4 will be the Captains. You guys will get to work and mold the new program in the right direction. If you don't, then we'll probably recommend that you not be reinstated along with a couple others. Broadhead has asked us to weed out some of the troublemakers, so that the new program doesn't make any headlines. It's up to you, join your teammates, sign a couple documents - or I'm going to have to put you on the list of those that shouldn't be reinstated.
Or How much of your college career have you lost? You have two years of eligibility left, right? We just need some information from that night. We know what happened. We know you weren't involved, we know you are good guys. The girl was trouble, she's lied. I never did believe her story. Look I know you like to drink. Go to Charlies a lot. If you help us, no one has to know. If you don't, I'll have a undercover guy on you every weekend. First time, you enjoy one - you've blown another season of eligibility. Duke will ask you to leave just like Ryan.
You don't want to lose another season do you? You'll be working soon enough. College is for fun. You should enjoy this season like all LAX guys before you. You can do that, if you sign a couple papers. A couple pieces of paper and we're out of here and no one will have to know. You'd be a fool not to man.
Like a false confession given to stop the pressure. People have confessed to murders just because a guy is yelling in their face.
I'm sure these guys would love to catch one of these kids at home while their parents are in Hawaii or at the beach. The kid might answer the door with a beer in his hand. Nifong is desperate at this point and I'm sure it's occured to his crack staff that the players may be more approachable when they are separated, far away from their lawyers, when they are more relaxed at home or when they are least expecting to be confronted by Durham Detective.
They can show up at their house and say we just came from Ann's house (girlfriend). She told us that it got a little rough in there that night. Some things were said. I know you were drunk, but there are hate crimes. Just using the offensive words you used, in Durham that's 3 years in prison - no questions. Now, we know you used them. We have the videotape from the party and the girl that sits next to you in Physics - Brianne - she ID'd your voice from the videotape. That's all we need we have enough to sent you up for 3 years - no questions. Now, if you help us out, will take 20 minutes, then we'll tear up Brianne's statement. We just want to be able to move forward, you can help us and your teammates by putting this all behind us. The team can't operate with all this over it's head.
etc, etc.
There'll be lots of folks with dirty hands when this is all over. The rape nazis, newspapers, local LEO's, the crime/cable shows, the networks...
I think you're reading too much into it. I don't think there's enough information to support that conclusion. i think it's a solid speculation, but not conclusive that she was acting crazy, frightened, unpredictable, etc., at that point just because she got out of a car and started down the strret on foot, regardless of what the original intended destination was.
It looks that way to me. She may have been upset at whatever he was doing that night that he couldn't drive her around.
I found this real interesting:
"Taylor and his passenger were flagged down by a man outside 610 N. Buchanan Blvd. awaiting their arrival. "On our way there, she got two calls on her cell phone saying if you don't come soon, it's going to get canceled," Taylor said."
The women were due at 11:30, so the calls telling her to get there fast must have come after the appointed time, right? So, there will be cell phone records of those incoming calls, and that will establish once and for all when they got there, which I think will support Bissey's account.
He doesn't say she's walking in the opposite direction from her house - just that she got out and started walking down Creedmor Road. he doesn't say which way or what they were talking about before she did that.
I don't say this event isn't an indication that she's a tad nuts, but I don't think it's conclusive of that without more information. I think there's plenty of solid information to show that she probably has a screw loose or, at the very least, has terrible problems with the truth when stressed.
I have wondered more than once if she's an incest victim. It would explain much of her behavior and statements.
I think they've had enough legal counsel and warning to withstand it. The cops already tried this in their dorm raid and it didn't fly. They did the same thing with the phony email they sent out. Both efforts were amateurish and clumsy, in my opinion.
Trying to squeeze somebody into lying is subborning perjury. That is a felony. Any DPD officer doing this directly would be really, really stupid, and getting someone else to do it for you would be conspiracy on top of the subborning charge and would serve up a witness with a lot less to lose than the cop or DA who initiated it. If they use the mail or a telephone to commit the crimes, then you can add wire and mail fraud to it. Oh, and I almost forgot obstruction of justice.
Now, if something really did happen that night, it would be different. But even kim said in her first statement, before she considered how she could gain from the case, that she was away from Mangum for five minutes or less, so we know it didn't happen. So, it looks like the cops' only option is to subborn perjury or suck it up. I think they want the addresses just to harrass and follow them, maybe try to catch an incriminating or semi-incriminating statement or one that could be twisted that way, and make their lives unhappy by bugging the hell out of them and their families. But they'd have to pay somebody in the area of these guys to do it because I doubt if DPD can afford to send a dozen or more investigators to set up shop in these other states for the summer, what with manpower costs, lodging, etc., and I doubt that they can afford to pay private dicks to do this in that many jurisdictions for a very long period of time at all - like almost no time at all.
Thanks for the ping!
Painful to read. I can't imagine what it was like to live it.
Agreed. Weeks back, I began to suspect that as lacking in character as the AV is, she more than likely needed some protections from the Nifong Matrix and oligarchy.
As I recall, the DPD weren't pleased to be doing Nifong's bidding post "event". As I also recall, the MSM weren't as interested in talking to the DPD as they were to Nifong and the usual pointyheaded racialist academics.
IMHO..if anybody goes to jail over this nnsense..should be the DA himself!!
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