I think I'm over the weight limit for both of those boats. I'm looking at getting the Pungo 140.
I'll look that one up later Bill. I like these two kayaks I have as they are each under 35# & can fit in my van easily. I love the squirrley white water ones. But they are not good to have your newbie friends try out, now are they? And oh, some of the sea kayaks are to die for.. but some of the costs are just out of the question for me at this point