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To: Mike Nifong
If the prosecution thought this was the guy, they could've easily telegraphed it before the offical lineup process.

Maybe eventually, but I think the evidence indicates differently at least at first. Here is my conjecture on the IDs:

Photo array number 1, 16 March 2006: I suspect there are fillers in this one as this is three days after the party and Nifong is yet to be directly involved. Mangum fails to ID any lacross players. The investigators are not too worried afterall they have DNA evidence.

Photo array number 2, 21 March 2006: Nifong has stepped in and ordered the DPD to violate their own policy and give her the multiple choice quiz with no wrong answers, ie a photo array with no fillers. She of course fails it and does not pick anyone. No big deal still, they still have DNA test results coming. [Part of the reason I conjecture this is that Nifong says at the 11 April 2006 Forum at NCCU that he will take the case to the grand jury as soon as she IDs someone.]

Photo array number 3, 4 April 2006: Though the first round of DNA tests were not yet officially reported, Nifong probably knew the results. So the pressure is on in this ID. Thus they push her to ID someones in another photo array with no fillers. She picks 4 sort of. I really don't think the police cared who she IDed, except they did not like her IDing the one guy who was not in Durham at the time. So I think they pushed her to ID any three.

So Mangum is so dense or does not want to follow through that she did not easily follow the cues subtle or not, verbal or non-verbal of the officer conducting the photo array until the third one when the pressure is really on.
48 posted on 05/28/2006 8:05:09 PM PDT by JLS
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To: All; JLS

I agree wholeheartedly - Eventually.

I think the investigators and Nifong really believed it early on and they thought they had the goods. Nifong's own words support what you are saying. The AV (not too bright) didn't do well on the early lineups and Nifong said more than once that DNA is bulletproof and Eyewitness testimony is not as reliable. If she had picked out 3 unequivocably and emphatically, Nifong wouldn't have made that statement. It's unusual to have 3 lineups or 3 lineup attempts, and it frekin' outrageous to have an ID in a felony case like this 3 weeks after the crime.

I think it's reasonable to believe the 3 lineups and the 3 week delay were manifestations of the trouble she was having with the lineup.

We KNOW the investigators were getting Desperate. We know that they, AFTER the first 2 INDICTMENTS were signed, breached protocol and attempted to question the players without their legal counsel present. The day after the indictments were signed, they're going out and trying to get through, arguably, unethical means basic information they should've had before signing off on the indictments. So they were desperate, that's why I say it's no great leap to envision them showing her pictures of the guys THEY suspected beforehand and planting a seed in her head.

They would've suspected Finnerty right off the bat from his previous arrest that we've heard prosecutors say had similar traits to this alleged crime (Susan Filan for one).

If we go back and listen to Nifong's statements and off-the-record or hypothetical remarks to reporters, and things that he said on the Radio and then were reported on Cable shows by local Radio hosts (Kevin Miller, etc.), if you listen to that with a timeline next to it, it becomes very apparent what is happening. You see him very confident in the DNA for days and then he suddenly reverses himself. He talks about Condoms for the first time. He mentions the false stats that don't apply to GANG-rapes.

I think Nifong thought these guys were going to fold and come asking him for a plea deal somewhere down the line. I even think that Nifong interpreted the Defense's statements as Bravado and ego.

I saw where you - JLS - had mentioned Nifong's famous comment that they (the defense) doesn't want to go up against him or face him in court. The other thing that he said to Defense attorney's when he refused to look at the alibi, photos and other exculpatory evidence was: I know more about this case, than you'll EVER know.

Nifong underestimated the continuing National attention to this case, because I think Nifong thought that he would give them a dose of the DURHAM JUSTICE that he regularly hands out and they'd have to live with it. The Light from the National coverage of this case (remember the defense attorneys opting to make EVERYTHING on the record?) may prevent Nifong and the Judges from using the standard DURHAM JUSTICE to bash the defendant's heads in. I think that is what Nifong was counting on all along. The uneven playing field, the relationship of the DA and Judges, the financial burden on the defendant, the costly delay in the case being heard, etc. Nifong's Pompous and overconfident attitude can be attributed to his underestimation of the media coverage and the financial ability of the defendants, in my opinion.


50 posted on 05/28/2006 8:52:51 PM PDT by Mike Nifong (Any likeness to persons living or dead is entirely coincidental)
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To: JLS
Photo array number 3, 4 April 2006:

Nifong says at the 11 April 2006 Forum at NCCU that he will take the case to the grand jury as soon as she IDs someone.

So Nifong had known for a week who she picked when he said this. Did the same investigators conduct all 3 ID lineups?

[Your scenario sounds right on the money]

51 posted on 05/28/2006 8:53:09 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: JLS
Photo array number 1, 16 March 2006: I suspect there are fillers in this one as this is three days after the party and Nifong is yet to be directly involved. Mangum fails to ID any lacross players. The investigators are not too worried afterall they have DNA evidence.

You know I wonder what photos where used in the first lineup of the players. Even if there was fillers it seems unfair to use photos of players that are all wearing the same shirt-jersey. It seems to me like they would stick out like a sore thumb.

54 posted on 05/28/2006 9:12:28 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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