Posted on 05/28/2006 9:59:32 AM PDT by Perdogg
You make excellent points, but we'll have to disagree on your final point about Nifong possibly dropping the case.
Like the Cold War with Russia, the strategists were told to think like the Russians when predicting their plans.
I don't know if Nifong in his enclave of Durham sees the case realisticly. Durham has had 3 University protests against these boys and the electorate in the City is absolutely hostile towards the LAX players. I saw Nifong laughing in Court when Seligman's attorney mentioned his alibi. I've heard reports that Nifong speaking off the record is still very confident, just very upset.
And then, if the Change of Venue is not granted, Nifong has a real chance.
I think back to the Totally Unbelievable comment Nifong made
when asked about a report of the AV saying it was 20 men first and then 3. He said he wasn't aware of that, and he said if a statement like that was made, he didn't think it would be relevant. 20 men or 3 men - not relevant. I think that Nifong is out of touch with reality.
Maybe he had high hopes for this case and the National position in the Media or Politics following it. Dreams die Hard.
Funny you should mention NJ and Princeton. I believe (I may have the story wrong) the Duke family financed the building of Princeton. When Princeton refused to be named "Duke" the family built Duke in NC. The two campuses look very similar.
Since I told you I am an economist, it should not surprise you that I do better with rational, ie sane, behavior than irrational behavior. Sowell too is an economist, so we tend to see things the same way.
Of course maybe Nifong is in fact certifiable. Then Sowel and I are out of our element.
And I believe the Indictments were signed on the 12th of April.
I've heard it is customary for the DA to notify the counsel of the persons being indicted when a decision has been made to seek indictments.
On the 12th or 13th of April, at least 2 defense attorney's go to Nifong's office with evidence. When they see Nifong briefly, he declines to view any of the evidence, telling them he knows more about the case than they'll ever know.
YET, the 2 investigators and a couple cops are dispatched to
question the LAX players without representation on the same day (or next day) - 13 April.
Nifong has so many scrathing their heads, on Sunday (today) the Durham Herald Sun ran an article the whole purpose can Nifong deliver - what else can he have?
You could be right. What you stated is what a reasonable DA would do.
Using your timeline, one can see how devoid of logic Nifong's decision making has been.
April 11 DNA test results (first round) revealed. No player match.
April 12 Indictments against Finnerty and Seligman signed
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Nifong in MAY, after so much damaging info had come out and much of it he had to know all along, says this:
"You have to understand that obviously the defense attorneys would probably prefer to try the case against somebody who is less experienced than I am, or get somebody who is less committed to the case than I am, and you can certainly understand that," he said. "I mean, if I were one of those attorneys, I wouldn't really want to try a case against me either."
http://www.heraldsun.com/state/6-739276.html
Is this guy delusional or what?
surely you can come up with better examples of lying or false accusations other than the Bryant non-trial, where he eventually apolozied for the "misunderstanding" and apparently gave a nice hunk of change to the accuser.....
I'd be extremely upset if the young men who stand accused give any apologies or money settlements to this woman if what I believe is true....that she fabricated the whole story .......because it would make me suspect the young men had something to be sorry for......
You could also say that a true rape victim would never accept money over seeing her attacker put in prison.
Let's try this again, Here is the link:
http://www.herald-sun.com/durham/4-739217.html
and the idea of protecting the AV by allowing her to concede that her memory was blurred because of prior attacks is just too convenient for words, but I guess it'll pass.....
amazing how lawyers can shade a situation.....
I don't think we'll ever have her admit to wrong doing...( that's JMHO)..I don't expect any apologies from the Black Pants' or the DA or the horrible Nancy Grace's of the world.....Wendy Murphy will have a cow as well.....
life is not fair.....if it was, these young men would be given monetary settlements from the MSM, the Durhan DA's office and perhaps the Duke University elitist who threw them head first into the fire......
BUT, I'd rather see this end with a settlement than to go thru another year of this......
and another thing....even if these young men are exonerated by this "plea" bargain of sorts, don't think they won't face constant scrutiny and be referred to as the Lacrosse rapist forever, because as in most cases, their guilt will forever be with them, despite the facts, because people tend to remember only what they want to remember.....I can just hear Nancy Grace now about how they got off too easy, etc......
There is absolutely no reason for the defense to negotiate while their case is getting stronger, and Nifong's is getting weaker.
I think Cheshire's motion referred to a note written by lead detective Ben Himan about trying to get the accuser to furnish more details about her attackers on Mar. 16. I think Himan must have been involved in any line-up that day.
On Mar. 21 Cheshire referenced detective R.D. Clayton as the one doing the line-up that day. Clayton was also one of the two investigators who personally arrested cabbie Elmostafa a month later on the bogus warrant.
On Mar. 21 Cheshire referenced detective R.D. Clayton as the one doing the line-up that day. Clayton was also one of the two investigators who personally arrested cabbie Elmostafa a month later on the bogus warrant.
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Himan was the other involved in arresting the Cab Driver.
Investigators don't arrest people on 3 year old misdemeanor warrants. They just don't. The Media should've asked the DPD spokesman or Nifong or Baker, can you give us another instance of this happening. Because there isn't one.
On that topic--
Gottlieb's been a busy boy, huh? Storming the dorms to chase the players. Serving warrants on cab drivers. Doing lineups. All things he's not suppose to be doing.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1632431/posts?page=1413#1413
.I can just hear Nancy Grace now about how they got off too easy
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Nancy Grace insinuated something was wrong when Reade Seligman had ATM Receipts.
She said didn't Scott Peterson keep a receipt too
A poster at CourtTV posted the NC State Bar rules prosecutors are supposed to adhere to. I (debinNC) then posted some quotes showing what Durham detective David Addison, coordinator of CrimeStoppers, had to say publically about the Duke case:
http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?s=d11472384d3fcd6e2f52ecc6133884dc&postid=8082721#post80827
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Nifong obviously took no steps to prevent Addison from making "extra-judicial" statements which he wouldn't be allowed to say in court, as Nifong was busy at the times doing the same thing.
Oops! I meant to mark the exact post:
http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?s=2393c7d3508a3065919112f11d520104&postid=8082721#post8082721
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