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Attorneys in Duke rape case file motion to get lineup report
Winston-Salem Journal (NC) ^ | Sunday, May 28, 2006 | staff

Posted on 05/28/2006 9:59:32 AM PDT by Perdogg

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To: pepperhead
The good news is that this was not in Durham so Nifong is not in the picture so this case may not be handled with vindictiveness. Couple this story with the one on reinstatement of Duke lacrosse. Guess who is not going to see playing time? I'll bet the new coach kicks this guy off the team just to make a point.
661 posted on 06/02/2006 1:55:31 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Locomotive Breath

Nifong will make a phone call.


662 posted on 06/02/2006 1:59:29 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ladyjane

They don't keep texting?

It takes me 10 minutes to text something I can say in 5 seconds.


663 posted on 06/02/2006 2:05:14 PM PDT by David Allen (the presumption of innocence - what a concept!)
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To: ladyjane
Information about the text messages was provided by a service representative from Verizon, so it may or may not be correct.

I'm not doubting what the rep told you is true or not. But I'll bet you a nickel that 6 months ago if you would have asked that same rep if Verizon was sending every from and to telephone number on all calls made in the U.S. to Homeland Security / NSA, you would have been told "huh uh", "no way, we don't do that"...

You would not believe the number of things large companies tell you they can't or don't do, but they really can and do..do...

664 posted on 06/02/2006 2:10:29 PM PDT by darbymcgill
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To: darbymcgill

There is probably not a record of the actual text message, but I bet there is a record of date and time sent and received. Just like records of phone calls. They can probably tell what cell tower it hit as well.


665 posted on 06/02/2006 2:28:30 PM PDT by Hogeye13
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To: Jezebelle

POST 666 BUMP!


666 posted on 06/02/2006 2:28:48 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Conservatism is moderate, it is the center, it is the middle of the road)
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To: darbymcgill

That is so true.


667 posted on 06/02/2006 2:46:03 PM PDT by Jezebelle
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To: darbymcgill

To be fair, Verizon & Bell South strongly denied that they gave any records to the NSA and I think Bell South demanded retractions of the stories. AT&T said it does not turn over any records without court orders.


668 posted on 06/02/2006 2:50:21 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Um......okay. Is "666" supposed to be bad luck or somethin'?


669 posted on 06/02/2006 2:51:28 PM PDT by Jezebelle
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To: ltc8k6
To be fair, Verizon & Bell South strongly denied that they gave any records to the NSA

Strongly denied.... ?? is that like grave danger? ... j/k..

Ok.. I'll go along to get along... the phone companies strongly denied that they gave the data to HSA / NSA... but, the government somehow has the data..

I'll just leave it at that...

670 posted on 06/02/2006 2:58:51 PM PDT by darbymcgill
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To: Publius22

Ref: 610 N. Buchanan

Yes.

Maybe they mean a chapel or place of Worship for feminists.

Durham would be better served with a Center that teaches about our basic rights and building blocks of our justice system. Justice for all (even white males), Equal Protection, and Innocent until proven Guilty.

All Radical ideas!


671 posted on 06/02/2006 5:55:34 PM PDT by Mike Nifong (Any likeness to persons living or dead is entirely coincidental)
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To: David Allen

According to the Verizon person:

"Txt msg you can keep, probably, up to 30. Pix msg will show the last 10 sent on your cell phone. You can go into "sent mgs" and "erase" (delete)."


672 posted on 06/02/2006 6:51:10 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: darbymcgill

I am sure you are correct about what large companies do and do not do.

My friends had no idea that year-old email messages could be retrieved. I'm not sure, however, if local police departments are able to do that. The feds can.


673 posted on 06/02/2006 6:57:24 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: darbymcgill

"No such proof was offered by your newspaper because no such contracts exist," stated the letter, portions of which were read by spokesman Jeff Battcher. "You have offered no proof that BellSouth provided massive calling data to the NSA as part of a warrantless program because it simply did not happen."

That's pretty strong. :-)


674 posted on 06/02/2006 7:27:57 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6
"You have offered no proof that BellSouth provided massive calling data to the NSA as part of a warrantless program because it simply did not happen."

Yah... but... does the NSA / HSA have the data or don't they?

675 posted on 06/02/2006 10:23:16 PM PDT by darbymcgill
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To: gopheraj

mark


676 posted on 06/03/2006 7:04:23 AM PDT by gopheraj
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To: darbymcgill

If USA Today doesn't know, then they shouldn't print the story.

Kinda like Nifong doesn't know that a rape occurred, so he shouldn't have press conferences saying that one did.


677 posted on 06/03/2006 10:27:29 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6
If USA Today doesn't know, then they shouldn't print the story.

If the USA Today doesn't know what?

From the article it seemed like common knowledge that the NSA did have the data..

It also appears from my reading of Bell South and other telco statements, they said they didn't do anything illegal..

Do you disagree that the NSA has the data?

If you do not, then how did they get it?

If you do, then why has the DOJ and / or their spokespeople been explaining that there's been no eavesdropping and no personal information is attached to the numbers?

And if they don't have the data, why are lawsuits being filed against several of the telcos for providing it?

If the NSA doesn't have the data then the other stuff is moot...

My opinion is that the NSA does have the data. I wonder how they got it...

678 posted on 06/03/2006 10:56:26 PM PDT by darbymcgill
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To: darbymcgill

Well, the lawsuits don't mean too much yet. We will see how far they go, and what they reveal.

If USA Today has evidence, why don't they produce it? They were asked to retract the story and may be sued by Bellsouth.

I certainly won't trust the media's word on anything these days.

It doesn't even make sense to collect everbody's calling records anyway. You'd be wading through 99.9% useless data.

It makes a lot more sense to monitor calling patterns anonymously and only ask about getting the records when you see a pattern of calls that is suspicious.


679 posted on 06/04/2006 12:15:13 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6
It makes a lot more sense to monitor calling patterns anonymously and only ask about getting the records when you see a pattern of calls that is suspicious.

How would they monitor call patterns w/o the records?

680 posted on 06/04/2006 5:47:42 AM PDT by darbymcgill
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