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Attorneys in Duke rape case file motion to get lineup report
Winston-Salem Journal (NC) ^ | Sunday, May 28, 2006 | staff

Posted on 05/28/2006 9:59:32 AM PDT by Perdogg

The woman who has accused three Duke University men's lacrosse players of raping her failed to identify at least one of them in a photo array eight days after the reported attack, according to a motion filed Friday by defense attorneys. The motion also says that she then selected him as an attacker more than two weeks later.

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KEYWORDS: duke; dukelax; durham
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To: Publius22

I'm sure that the defense has stopped talking to the Raleigh New and Observer because of their biased and prosecutorial treatment of the story. I got in a discussion with Melanie Sill on her blog about the N&O not reporting that Crystal/Kim were said to have uttered the first racial slurs even though it was reported in the Durham Herald Sun. The DHS sourced the story as "according to defense attorneys" but Sill said that the N&O rarely uses "anonymous sources". Of course if you look at their early reporting on this story they did just that including the Easter Sunday piece on mother-of-the-year Crystal. My conclusion is that the defense has stopped talking to the N&O and they are forced to wait for the presser like the rest of us.


581 posted on 06/01/2006 7:45:01 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Locomotive Breath

The News and Observer reporting has been outrageous.

I don't know how that article on the Driver gets past an editor. Then the title is obviously what the prosecution wanted to get out as the story - "accuser seemed OK early on, driver says".

The news was the dancer's whereabouts prior to the party was revealed for the first time and one of her drivers was Identified.

At this point, the News and Observer's coverage is indefensible.


582 posted on 06/01/2006 7:55:05 PM PDT by Mike Nifong (Any likeness to persons living or dead is entirely coincidental)
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To: Jezebelle
They probably meant they needed to check if the kids could stay there past the 1:30 planned return time for Mangum to pick them up.

This is another area I am confused on. Some reports said that she and her children lived with her parents. If that is true, there would be no need to check on the children or for her to ask her dad to keep her car for a couple of days.

There's also this post from an old friend on FR

To: Krodg

Could be....maybe that is where the Delores Mangum comes into play. (Crystal registered to vote at her house 10 days before or after she registered to vote at dads house in 2004).

I think the blogs may be confusing me saying the eldest is Tiffany, unless Tiffany is now a boys name.

1,030 posted on 05/15/2006 12:49:17 AM EDT by Rheo

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1631677/posts?page=1030#1030

583 posted on 06/01/2006 8:00:16 PM PDT by Krodg
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To: Mike Nifong
"accuser seemed OK early on, driver says".

Nifong has another problem with the date rape drug hypothesis. Why didn't he seek a court order to run toxicology tests on the samples that were collected? I find it hard to believe a court would not grant such a request by a DA.

584 posted on 06/01/2006 8:11:15 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: ltc8k6
They also said they had no idea their daughter returned to exotic dancing just a couple of months before the incident

Thanks for posting that!!

585 posted on 06/01/2006 8:13:32 PM PDT by Krodg
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To: Krodg

That may be a different CM. There is a Crystal, age 19, possibly related to a Delores, age 36, in Durham, NC.

http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp


586 posted on 06/01/2006 8:14:39 PM PDT by maggief (and the dessert cart rolls on ...)
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To: Guenevere

Have you noticed the irony in the recent (just yesterday) case of the woman lawyer in ....Alabama...I think it was Alabama....who was kidnapped & taken to a motel & beaten, tied up....they're calling it just a random incident....(no one dare call it a hate crime, it seems)
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The guy was pulled from the hotel room where she was being held, BUT:

"Officials did not release any information about the suspect's identity or any charges he might face."
http://www.heraldsun.com/nationworld/14-740073.html

None of the channels I've seen have even dared to describe the individual.

We can guess the News Corpse doesn't believe that he is arrogant, privileged, or that he lived in a culture that
promoted hate or promoted disrepect for diversity.

No need to have any violence against women vigils.

Gotta love that Media Profiling. Judgements and morals are only applied in certain cases where the profile is met.


587 posted on 06/01/2006 8:25:18 PM PDT by Mike Nifong (Any likeness to persons living or dead is entirely coincidental)
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To: ltc8k6

Maybe they didn't think whatever Mangum said about how long the kids could stay there was reliable given the shape she was in. I don't know. It doesn't seem all that important, unless I'm missing something on this entire aspect.


588 posted on 06/01/2006 8:26:39 PM PDT by Jezebelle
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To: Ken H
Nifong has another problem with the date rape drug hypothesis. Why didn't he seek a court order to run toxicology tests on the samples that were collected? I find it hard to believe a court would not grant such a request by a DA.

For the same reason he was uninterested in that cell phone. He knows no rape happened. He knows the only thing he can possibly get from gathering the data from the phone or having her blood sample tested is more evidence there was no rape. And anything she has in her system just further undermines he IDs. [BTW, he may have gotten them to test he blood sample not for release to find out if it is in his interest to seek a court order.]
589 posted on 06/01/2006 8:30:23 PM PDT by JLS
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To: Mike Nifong
We don't know.

What I can't get over is that, not only don't we know who Brian Taylor is, but importantly, CGM doesn't know who he is! Yet, she asked him to pick up her kids! That doesn't make sense to me.

The News & Observer ought to be embarrassed to publish an article with such a lack of obvious followup questions. At least make a note that certain questions were asked but the subject refused to answer.

590 posted on 06/01/2006 8:42:51 PM PDT by Publius22
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To: Mike Nifong
Right, but are they being promised something at the end of the rainbow?

I wouldn't have anyway of knowing that. However, I've seen many cases of people running to tabloids to 'tell all'.

591 posted on 06/01/2006 8:46:30 PM PDT by Krodg
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To: All

You all have been on a roll today. Great stuff!

I do have a question about non-indicted players suing for damages, however. I would think that the only ones who would possibly have a provable case are those whose job offers were rescinded due to this mess. What case would a 19-yo student have? I agree all of this is awful; but I would think a judge would want quantitative proof of damage. What say ye, lawyer types?????


592 posted on 06/01/2006 8:48:20 PM PDT by Dukie07
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To: David Allen

Well, I think Duke alumnae are paying for Bob Bennett's services, but I don't have a clue as to what he is doing.

The suits would be a good maneuver for him to undertake.

I really, really wish they would do this. It's the best way to throw a net over Nifong and checkmate the lying whore all in one fell swoop.

The defendants need to take control of this immediately, or as soon as they've exhausted the discovery process.


593 posted on 06/01/2006 8:53:35 PM PDT by Jezebelle
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To: Publius22

Right.

An apologist couldn't even explain that article on Brian Taylor.

If you saw Hannity tonight, Megyn Kendall told Colmes that the DA's office has been leaking when they want to. She mentioned how they leaked the DNA link to Evans and classified it as good news. Megyn implied that Nifong could get his side out, if he had something to counter with.


594 posted on 06/01/2006 8:54:39 PM PDT by Mike Nifong (Any likeness to persons living or dead is entirely coincidental)
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To: Jezebelle
Maybe they didn't think whatever Mangum said about how long the kids could stay there was reliable given the shape she was in. I don't know. It doesn't seem all that important, unless I'm missing something on this entire aspect.

I think the main point is that is potentially proves she lied once again to the cops. The only reason they would have sent someone by to check would be if she tried to use the kids as an excuse to "get out" of the situation she found herself in.

"Please officer, give me a break, my kids are home with a sitter, I was supposed to be back by 1:30, I need to get home, please let me go, please".... yada yada...

When that didn't work it was "Oh...by the way, I was raped"...

ta da.... success...

595 posted on 06/01/2006 8:55:52 PM PDT by darbymcgill
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To: Mike Nifong

The chief of police for the jurisdiction from where she was taken gave his description as a black male, etc., and that chief was black.


596 posted on 06/01/2006 8:56:44 PM PDT by Jezebelle
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To: Jezebelle

It's just one of those little loose ends that I hate, I guess.


597 posted on 06/01/2006 8:58:26 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: darbymcgill

Yes, that occurred to me, but it doesn't necessarily support the claim that she wasn't raped, just that she wanted to get out of a trip to the drunk tank, even though she probably came up with the rape claim to get out of being committed, which was something I suggested way, way back when this case first broke. It might show she was trying to come up with something to prevent being taken into custody, but once she was in custody, it would no longer have a direct influence in claiming that she was raped.


598 posted on 06/01/2006 9:03:09 PM PDT by Jezebelle
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To: darbymcgill

That sounds reasonable.

The police called her bluff and said they would send an officer over.

Then she was stuck.


599 posted on 06/01/2006 9:04:04 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: JLS

Nifong has finally stopped digging a deeper hole.


600 posted on 06/01/2006 9:05:05 PM PDT by Jezebelle
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