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Microsoft: Set your systems for Vista
ZDnet ^ | May 18, 2006 | Ina Fried

Posted on 05/18/2006 12:27:12 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde

On Thursday, the company kicked off a campaign aimed at helping customers prepare for the new operating system, which is set for a mainstream launch in January. As expected, Microsoft gave details of two programs. The "Vista-capable" program allows machines that meet a minimum set of requirements to tout themselves as able to run the new Windows. Computer makers who meet higher requirements will be able to tout their machines as "Premium Ready," indicating the PCs are able to take advantage of higher-end features, such as Vista's Aero graphics. "There's really no reason to wait until the launch of Windows Vista to start shopping for a PC that can deliver a great Windows Vista experience or to start thinking about upgrading your current PC to windows Vista," product manager Greg Amrofell said in a telephone interview. Microsoft also launched on Thursday a "Get Ready" Web site, which includes an Upgrade Advisor tool to help people determine just how Vista-ready an existing PC is. The downloadable program is designed to tell people which features and versions of Vista their PC is able to run, thereby abstracting some of the complex requirements of Vista. For example, Aero graphics require a certain amount of memory bandwidth--a measurement of PC performance that few people are likely to know about in their machine. The advisor tool will simply say whether a PC will work out or not, rather than focus on specific requirements. That way, customers "don't have to spend time in the footnotes of complex system requirements," said Mike Burk, the PR Manager, Windows Client. That said, Microsoft did publish official minimum requirements for Vista on Thursday, largely matching the Vista-capable specifications. Systems need an 800 MHz processor, 512MB of memory, a 20GB hard drive with 15GB of free space and a CD-ROM drive. That guarantees access to Vista's core features, but not Aero and other premium features. To be classified as Vista-capable, a computer needs an 800MHz processor, 512MB of memory and a DirectX 9-capable graphics card. Premium Ready machines need a 1GHz processor, 128MB of graphics memory, 1GB of system memory, a 40GB hard drive and an internal or external DVD-ROM drive. While Microsoft has provided some clarity on checking a PC for Vista, it's not a straightforward process, said Michael Cherry, an analyst at market research firm Directions on Microsoft. "I don't understand why it has to be this complex," he said. "Why can't this be written up on a one-page piece of paper in a manner that you don't have to be an electrical engineer to understand?" Most shipping PCs should be Vista-capable, Microsoft said. For example, all systems introduced by Dell this year are Vista-capable. The majority of Dell's Vista-capable machines will support Aero graphics and more than three-fourths of its models can be configured to run the fancier graphics. Dell is also offering 17 custom-configured systems that are designed to support Aero. "Our sense is that the vast majority of PCs do meet the requirements for the Vista-capable logo," Amrofell said. As for Premium Ready, he said that "a good number of PCs do meet the bar, and that's going to grow over the next few months." The marketing programs and upgrade tool are designed to ease some of the uncertainty around Vista well ahead of the back-to-school and holiday shopping seasons, the two biggest PC selling times of the year. Vista had long been expected to arrive by the 2006 holidays, but Microsoft said in March that it would not arrive on store shelves until January. Kevin Johnson, head of the business unit that includes Windows, said in an interview with CNET News.com this week that Microsoft is likely to have some kind of discount or upgrade program to help those who buy a PC this holiday season upgrade to Vista. "Yeah, there's likely to be something," Johnson said, without giving specifics.


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To: mkjessup
Which probably explains why Dell has bought up Alienware. Truly a match made in Hell, err Dell. ;)

Ahh Alienware is ok, I was just messing around... although I do think Falcon-NW is better.. :)

81 posted on 05/18/2006 7:07:43 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Syntyr
Did you ever see that website where the guys used Flourinert and Liquiud Nitrogen to supercool the CPU and MB? If I remember correctly they were able to get an 800 mhz CPU up to something like 3.2 GHZ.

Yea, im always reading overclocker webpages...

overclockers.com
ocworkbench.com
hardocp.com
anandtech.com
etc.

82 posted on 05/18/2006 7:09:58 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: operation clinton cleanup
I for one am looking forward to Vista.

Ditto, I have tried the Vista betas and it looks promising... its not ready for prime-time yet... but they have time until release(2007).

83 posted on 05/18/2006 7:12:03 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Mr. Blonde

I'm trying to figure out why the heck you need a DirectX 9 capable video card to run any type of desktop enhancements. I'll admit that my GeForce 2 Video card is a bit out of date and doesn't do hardware MPeg 4 decoding, but it'll still BitBLT and scale fast enough for anything that a desktop operating system should need to do, short of viewing full-res HD Mpeg4 content, and that's mostly due to a lack of raw CPU power. I mean, are their desktop visuals using bump and reflection mapping and all that other fancy 3D stuff that DirectX 9 compatible video cards provide? Oh well, I was getting about ready to build up a new system, anyway.


84 posted on 05/18/2006 7:17:13 PM PDT by -YYZ-
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To: Echo Talon

I got a Vista beta disk from someone at work... but no functional CD key. Is there anyway to get a trial version without being a MSCD member?


85 posted on 05/18/2006 7:18:43 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup (Free the Masons!)
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To: Mr. Blonde
To be classified as Vista-capable, a computer needs an 800MHz processor, 512MB of memory and a DirectX 9-capable graphics card. Premium Ready machines need a 1GHz processor, 128MB of graphics memory, 1GB of system memory, a 40GB hard drive and an internal or external DVD-ROM drive.

Just 10 years ago, this would have been an Onion piece. People would have said "A gigabyte of RAM! That's science fiction!"

Back in those days, a typical system had a 66MHz processor, 8MB of RAM and maybe a 340MB hard drive.

So I guess that when Microsoft gets ready to release Vista 2016 in about 10 more years, people are going to be needing a 900GHz processor, half a terrabyte of RAM and 500 terabytes (half a pentabyte) of storage space.

86 posted on 05/18/2006 7:22:40 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (I think Randy Travis must be paying his bills on home computer by now)
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To: Proud_texan
my impression is that it's pretty gay but surprisingly robust and perky for a beta version.

Now there's a review you will not see elsewhere! By being pretty gay, does that mean there are emoticons popping up every time I click on something?

87 posted on 05/18/2006 7:27:54 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup (Free the Masons!)
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To: postaldave
"i take it you know your telling a lie by your :) face at the end of that."

No seriously! Last time I tried a SUSE distro the base install used 6 of the 14 CD's I downloaded. It took two hours and rebooted my PC 5 times. Now maybe I dont understand Linux installs but but seems to me that is rather excessive.

Windows XP Pro install exclusive of a drive format takes me 30 minutes from start to finish.
88 posted on 05/18/2006 7:48:51 PM PDT by Syntyr (Food for the NSA Line Eater -> "terrorist" "bomb" "plot" "kill" "overthrow" "coup de tas")
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To: -YYZ-
Dirext X9 video card $52.99

Well newegg.com has Direct X9 video cards starting at $52.99... they have been available for awhile now... dont think its to much to ask.(I wouldnt' suggest that card just showing you they can be had for cheep and that they have around for awhile)

89 posted on 05/18/2006 8:09:22 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: -YYZ-
here is a cheeper one with DX9 Price - $35.99
Ship - $4.99 flat three day shipping
90 posted on 05/18/2006 8:11:20 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Syntyr
No seriously! Last time I tried a SUSE distro the base install used 6 of the 14 CD's I downloaded.

That is exactly why I havent tried SuSE yet.. to make disks to download.. :\

91 posted on 05/18/2006 8:13:19 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: dennisw

Where did you get the proc/MB? I need to build a server with something like that. Just need a 3 year old board/chip with built in graphics.


92 posted on 05/18/2006 8:14:39 PM PDT by 1L
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To: dennisw
Athlon64 3000+ could have gotten this for $110.99 free shipping... and overclock the heck out of it! :)
93 posted on 05/18/2006 9:32:42 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: dennisw
newegg has the 3000+ for $110 also...
94 posted on 05/18/2006 9:36:28 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Syntyr
suse and several blouted distros out there are horrible to install but that would be like hating windows because some fool took xp and placed it on thirty floppies. 14 cd's? is that many?

many distro like DSL and puppy are under 100megs and load a full system off a CD at boot up without installing anything. puppy even loads it all into your memory not needing anything from the cd after boot up. can you install windows in under a minute?

my favorite, pclinuxos http://www.pclinuxos.com can run a complete OS with all those programs that XP doesn't even come installed with that you need on one little CD AND you can try it on a liveCD without installing anything.

in the end, i can install a more complete OS with a linux OS then xp on a single CD in less time then windows.

i'm not a windows hater, i have two xp machines in my house that are running very well, but to make the statement that linux is hard to install is either very misinformed or is coming from a linux hater(MS shill)
95 posted on 05/18/2006 10:44:10 PM PDT by postaldave (McCain & Bush, you traitorous !#!$!!s. you two are no different then ted kennedy.)
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To: Mr. Blonde

Not so fast. Looks like MicroSoft has, once again, stolen another company's intellectual property. What a shock:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2003003687_websymantec18.html


96 posted on 05/18/2006 10:54:35 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: operation clinton cleanup
"emoticons popping up every time I click on something"

It seemed like there was something popping up every time I turned around. Oh, there are some "gee whiz" things like when you mouse over a minimized program in the task bar it shows you a dynamic thumbnail of that programs window which is pretty cool but it's like watching Gladiator on a handheld; yeah, it's gee whiz that it can be done but as for being gee whiz functional I'd just as soon stick needles in my eye.

97 posted on 05/19/2006 1:36:23 AM PDT by Proud_texan (I'm gonna break my rusty cage and run)
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To: Echo Talon
Ahh Alienware is ok, I was just messing around... although I do think Falcon-NW is better.. :)

Oh I could tell a couple of stories about Alienware, excess heat, and a technical support team member that was either in denial or blatantly stonewalling. Of course that is just anecdotal, it doesn't necessarily reflect the entire Alienware species, I realize that.

Now DELL on the other hand?

http://www.ihatedell.net

Many, MANY horror stories on that site, from both Dell employees AND disillusioned users/purchasers.

98 posted on 05/19/2006 2:14:53 AM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: postaldave

I'm using Fedora, five install disks, the last two were barely touched. Then just run yum once a month and everything tidy.


99 posted on 05/19/2006 2:48:11 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: Echo Talon

Athlon XP 2500+ processor is hardly slower than the 3000+/939 Athlons. You can run 64 bit OS and PCIE graphics cards, other than that there is no advantage

Dual core AthlonX2/PentiumD provide the next leap forward especially for Vista with its hardware demands


100 posted on 05/19/2006 4:01:49 AM PDT by dennisw
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