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Sun puts its weight behind Ubuntu Linux
IT WEEK ^ | 17 May 2006 | Tom Sanders

Posted on 05/17/2006 9:19:50 PM PDT by AllmanBrosFan

Sun Microsystems plans to offer support for the Ubuntu server Linux distribution on its T1 server line, the company said at the JavaOne industry conference in San Francisco.

"We will be aggressively supporting the fork that Ubuntu has been doing," Sun chief executive Jonathan Schwartz said at the conference. "The ideals of that community are relatively familiar to us."

The Ubuntu Linux distribution is based on Debian. The operating system currently provides only a desktop version that has a strong following among software developers. A first server system is scheduled for release on 1 June.

The distribution is sponsored by Canonical, which offers commercial support for the application.

Sun's T1 servers use the company's Niagara multi-core processor. The systems were launched last December and are currently certified for Solaris only.

Sun's support is a major win for Ubuntu as it aspires to become one of the world's main Linux distributions.

Its creators seek to differentiate the offering from Red Hat and SuSE by providing support as an optional service for a limited number of systems, rather than bundling support automatically with the software.

Sun hopes that supporting the operating system will expose its hardware to a new group of users. A company spokesman denied that the support was aimed as a move against Red Hat and SuSE.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: bestofgoldeneagle; linux; sunmicrosystems; threadjester; ubuntu; worstofiggle
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To: N3WBI3; Golden Eagle
Youve been told before patches are still out there for 9..

No, you idiot! You're sending him to a hacker site to get OS updates!

Sorry, joke about an old GE lie and libel against a fellow FReeper.

181 posted on 05/19/2006 4:56:47 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Poser
I wonder if a basic setup with OpenOffice and Firefox would sell to them.

I only have to say: Live CD Distro..

182 posted on 05/19/2006 4:57:10 PM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: Golden Eagle
No, the undeniable point is, you don't run systems online after vulnerabilities are found without applying patches from the vendor. Just because you were still online doesn't mean you weren't hacked LMAO.

You still have not answered the question. What, specifically, should I be patching? The database and SSH were kept up to date. There are no additional network services running, no additional processes running, and there is no remote shell access except for people with root. Even ignoring all the firewalls and such, how are you going to exploit a system that only has two fully patched services running on it? You listed a lot of bug fixes for a lot of software that we aren't running, so which of those updates would apply to me?

A vendor publishing a security patch means that there might be a vulnerability for some systems, and a sysadmin with an actual clue will know whether the patch has any value for them. A kernel patch for an unused or non-applicable subsystem has no value. A patch for software not even installed or never used has no value. An intelligent sysadmin doesn't bring down mission critical systems to modify software in a fashion that generates no benefit. You should be canned if you "pulled BS like that". You have the Windows admin reboot mentality. Don't fix things that are not broken or which cannot pose a threat in the given system configuration.

Remote exploits are extremely difficult on a properly locked down Unix box, and quite rare. Most of the potential security bugs found are local exploits i.e. you have to have shell before you can use them for anything. You have yet to justify or identify all this undone patching you think was required.

183 posted on 05/19/2006 4:57:11 PM PDT by tortoise
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To: Golden Eagle
No, I simply point out the DNC and PRC have both standardized on Linux,

So has Free Republic. Want to make something of it?

184 posted on 05/19/2006 4:59:52 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Golden Eagle
LMAO that would be like me sitting here in a couple of years saying how awesome my NT 4 server was, haven't even had to reboot it in 3 years LOL!

I take it you're not using RPC, or your reboot interval would be a mandatory 49.7 days unless you want your system to grind to a halt due to a bug Microsoft finally fixed last year. You remember, they fixed it because it was the basis for the reason that air traffic control communications went down during flight operations.

Thank you Microsoft! You wrote a server system designed not to stay up for even 50 days.

185 posted on 05/19/2006 5:03:55 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Golden Eagle
No, the undeniable point is, you don't run systems online after vulnerabilities are found without applying patches from the vendor.

In that case, a Windows server would rarely be up.

Do you realize how many of those are third-party products, and there are very few, if any, systems running all of that? Let's say you're running a Web server for an application you wrote. Will you be running CVS, squirrelmail or mailman? If it's running KDE, does it matter that there's a Gnome bug? If you're not running this stuff, there's no reason whatsoever to take the server offline.

You even included Mozilla! If for that, you should also put this vulnerability in the Windows camp, possibly along with the rest of the cross-platform apps listed, like Ethereal, php, Tripwire and MySQL, openSSH, Apache, Perl, Postgre and others.

186 posted on 05/19/2006 5:13:44 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat; Golden Eagle

HE does nothing but compare apples and oranges here..


187 posted on 05/19/2006 6:46:17 PM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: N3WBI3; antiRepublicrat; Golden Eagle

...and attempt to hijack threads and raise heck with his miscomparisons.


188 posted on 05/19/2006 7:54:41 PM PDT by rzeznikj at stout (ASCII and ye shall receive... (Computers 3:14))
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To: rzeznikj at stout
I used to know binary from high school and could do hex pretty good--but I've let it get really rusty.

I taught my girls binary and hex when they were in 4th/5th grade.  I used the "Hey little twelvetoes" Schoolhouse Rock vid to get started.  It was pretty fun to show them a different way to look at numbers than what they were getting in school.

189 posted on 05/19/2006 8:09:17 PM PDT by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side... We have cookies!)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Writing words on your calculator is a lot easier when you have one that does hex.

When I get an IP6 address, I want it to spell something! 

190 posted on 05/19/2006 8:10:23 PM PDT by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side... We have cookies!)
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To: zeugma

Surprisingly, I didn't learn it until high school.

My sister picked up on binary and hex in middle school--but she's also much more gifted in math than I...8^)


191 posted on 05/19/2006 8:12:17 PM PDT by rzeznikj at stout (ASCII and ye shall receive... (Computers 3:14))
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To: All
I'd still run Solaris on those boxes anyway, especially if I was doing Java. And I don't expect Sun to sell much "ubuntu" except overseas either.

LOL. And remember folks, the troll would "recommend" CDE over Gnome or KDE, because it's not open source. I love it when the troll tries to make itself out to be knowledgable about unix. What a joke.
 

192 posted on 05/19/2006 8:13:58 PM PDT by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side... We have cookies!)
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To: FLAMING DEATH
Watch out for the CopyLeftists!
193 posted on 05/19/2006 8:15:55 PM PDT by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side... We have cookies!)
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To: zeugma

Yep--it's almost DUmmie FUnny. Almost...

Never used CDE though.


194 posted on 05/19/2006 8:17:10 PM PDT by rzeznikj at stout (ASCII and ye shall receive... (Computers 3:14))
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To: Golden Eagle
I don't take advice on religion from atheists. So stuff it.

Would you post a photo of the contents of your medicine cabinet. I have standing to ask because you have ruined another thread for me.

195 posted on 05/19/2006 8:22:15 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: zeugma
And remember folks, the troll would "recommend" CDE over Gnome or KDE, because it's not open source.

Which by itself is more than sufficient evidence for indictment. Hehehe...

196 posted on 05/19/2006 8:32:47 PM PDT by tortoise
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To: rzeznikj at stout
For you, Linux = DNC = Chinese Communism. And that's all you care to know...

Don't forget to include FreeRepublic in the mix. It's always good to point out the hypocracy of the troll. 

197 posted on 05/19/2006 8:37:12 PM PDT by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side... We have cookies!)
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To: tortoise
A kernel patch for an unused or non-applicable subsystem has no value. A patch for software not even installed or never used has no value. An intelligent sysadmin doesn't bring down mission critical systems to modify software in a fashion that generates no benefit.

Well said tortise. I would go further though and point out that it actually is stupid to patch for software/services that aren't running on a stable, production system, because installing any  patch is not without risks. People who attempt to fix things that aren't broken are just asking for trouble.

198 posted on 05/19/2006 8:41:42 PM PDT by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side... We have cookies!)
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To: zeugma

Whoops--forgot to point out that truth...

Thanks for the reminder!


199 posted on 05/19/2006 8:45:41 PM PDT by rzeznikj at stout (ASCII and ye shall receive... (Computers 3:14))
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To: rzeznikj at stout
Never used CDE though.

Dude, consider yourself lucky. CDE was a bloated, screwed up train-wreck on every system I've run it on, which includes HP-UX, AIX, Solaris, DEC Unix, and Ultrix. Only a complete MORON (you know who I am talking about), would recommend somone use CDE now that there are viable GUI replacements that are actually under active development.

The only good thing I can say about CDE, is that one later versions of DEC Unix, the calendar application had a really cool feature where if you were looking at the daily view, it would keep the current time in the center of the window as time passed throughout the day. I've never seen that since, (though I admit to not having looked very hard) and thought it was really handy.

200 posted on 05/19/2006 8:47:57 PM PDT by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side... We have cookies!)
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