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Is 'Duke' Case Headed to Civil Court?
Fox News ^ | 5/17/2006 | Locomotive Breath

Posted on 05/17/2006 7:09:30 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath

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To: shhrubbery!

I agree with everything you wrote. It's open season on white men now. Especially rich white boys.


41 posted on 05/17/2006 10:24:17 AM PDT by Peach (DICC's - doing the work for the DNC)
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To: Gay State Conservative
get this trial moved to a part of NC that's less PC than Durham.

I haven't had the impression that Durham is PC. After hearing some of the interviews with students from the false accuser's school, they sounded racist. The sentiment was: even if they're innocent, it's payback.

42 posted on 05/17/2006 10:24:43 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Locomotive Breath
THIS ENTIRE MATTER, AS I HAVE POSTED HERE BEFORE, IS ALL ABOUT MONEY, AND NOTHING BUT MONEY BY THIS TRAMP. She sees the rich, white boys as her retirement fund. IT IS, WAS, AND ALWAYS WILL BE ABOUT THE MONEY. She said it herself, how could she swing this to her favor. End of argument.
43 posted on 05/17/2006 10:26:05 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (I've pretty much given up on all politicians. They all lie, cheat, and ignore the voters.)
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To: Perdogg

The Duke Lacrosse Case and the Black Hole
5/17/2006 - 4:00 AM PST



By Fr. Robert J. Carr
Catholic Online

The indicted Duke University lacrosse players have a mighty battle ahead of them. However, it is important for them to understand now what their true enemy is during this time. First, if they are guilty, the worst thing that can happen to them is the not-guilty verdict. That is because, they would mostly likely reoffend and mostly likely in a more heinous way. If they are innocent, however, the worst that can happen is not that they be found guilty, but that they go into a deep emotional hole from which they do not escape.

The current accusations against them are a serious trauma to the psyche of any person. If they are not guilty, that trauma alone may still lead them down a dark hole to bitterness. They must do all they can to never go down that hole.

As a priest at the Cathedral of the Holy Cross in Boston during the abuse crisis, I worked with some victims and accused. I found that true victims have no desire to see the wrong man in court. I also found that those wrongly accused can be reduced to emotional rubble.

The most vibrant of men can become a slave to a telephone, holding it dearly everyday in one hand while chain smoking with the other. He will sit there in his own invisible prison, hoping the phone will bring the news that his trauma was nothing more than a nightmare and that it was over. That is the black hole and once there it is hard to get out of it.

People who go down this hole get so focused on exoneration on their terms, that if anyone shows them another way out of their predicament they refuse to listen. They become like someone in a three sided cage demanding that the door be open so they can walk out. They remain completely unaware that there is no back to their prison. All they need do is let go of the bars, turn around and walk away. They refuse. Such people become myopic to any other reality and essentially become so obsessed with their dilemma and their solution to it, they lose the ability to see their reality in any other way. They cannot move beyond the incident and they become crippled in their ability to do anything but lament and spiral deeper into depression and bitterness. This is the worst thing that can happen to anyone going through this process.

What is the way out? This is where faith is so important. First, they must understand what they have today. They must live forgetting tomorrow. The words of Saint James in his epistle can be life giving:

"Consider it pure joy, my brothers, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance. Perseverance must finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything." (Jas 1:2-4 NIV)

And

"Why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow. What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes. Instead, you ought to say, 'If it is the Lord's will, we will live and do this or that.' " (James 4:14-15 NIV)

Their situation will greatly overwhelm them several times during the day. The more they can discipline themselves to enjoy every little element of life that leads them away from thinking what may happen, the better off they will be. The reality is they have no idea what actually will happen, they can only work with what may happen, focusing on that unknown, however, is no way to live. The "what ifs" obsessive thought pattern in that focus can be as crippling as any disease. They need to avoid it as much as possible.

They need to learn to praise God for everything that happens in their lives. The more they see God as only present when things go right or pray that God will answer their prayers as they want them answered, the more they will go down the dark hole. They need to pray that God will work through this situation in a way that glorifies his name and brings them closer to him and, therefore, where they can experience true joy. They need to be people of prayer. Merlin Carothers’ book, Prison to Praise may be the most important literary work they can read during this painful time.

They need to be repentant and to be honest about their own sins especially those which allegedly put them into a location of alcohol abuse and the presence of a stripper. Ray Bradbury in his book Something Wicked This Way Comes demonstrated well the false promises of evil and its destructive effects. Similarly, when you put yourself in the presence of evil, you risk the chance that it may hold you so tightly that only God himself can free you.

The accused can fight this battle on many levels, however, the most difficult part of this endeavor is the internal battle for self-control of their hearts and minds. Presently, their lives are in the hands of the prosecutor, their own defense attorneys and eventually the jury. This will be the most painful part of this process. Indeed, in my work with court involved young adults, I found that the worst part is not the prison time, but the court time beforehand. The court is impersonal, neither supportive nor rejecting, it is just a systemic operation that turns the human into a cog in a machine. Their lives, though not ruined, are on hold until the jury gives its verdict.

If they walk in faith, they will survive. If they walk on their own, they may end up in the dark hole of a three sided cage. Those three sides are far more imprisoning than four walls of concrete. Their supporters must not let them or anyone else enter that painful space, guilty or innocent.

http://www.catholic.org/featured/headline.php?ID=3308


44 posted on 05/17/2006 10:35:10 AM PDT by TexKat
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To: Peach

RE: post # 14

Good job locating that, thanks.


45 posted on 05/17/2006 10:39:53 AM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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Lie detector test backs Duke lacrosse captain's claims of innocence
5/17/2006 10:23 AM
By: News 14 Carolina Staff




(DURHAM) -- A polygraph test backs the statements of an indicted Duke lacrosse player.

During a news conference Monday, David Evans said he passed a lie detector test. He says he did not assault the accuser nor did he see anyone or know of anyone assaulting her.

His attorney released a copy of the examiner's report on Tuesday.

The report from the Advanced Credibility Assessment Services in Charlotte states the examination strongly supports Evans' statements. It also says it cross-checked the answers by two methods.

However, polygraph tests are not allowed as evidence in North Carolina's courts.

Evans is due back in court next month.

http://rdu.news14.com/content/your_news/durhamchapel_hill/?AC=&ArID=84670


46 posted on 05/17/2006 10:40:29 AM PDT by TexKat
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To: investigateworld

You're welcome; I wish I still had the link.


47 posted on 05/17/2006 10:47:54 AM PDT by Peach (DICC's - doing the work for the DNC)
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To: Locomotive Breath

The boys would have to wait until the civil matter is settled, if she would have a chance of winning. Once she has her "judgment," they could file bankruptcy which would nullify the judgment (unless they've screwed with the Bankruptcy Laws so much that they aren't remotely what they were 15 years ago). The only enforceable debt would be taxes. If her judgment were upheld, it would be reduced to pennies on the dollar.


48 posted on 05/17/2006 10:54:22 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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Details Emerge About Polygraph Test Taken By Duke Lacrosse Player

Series 1 Question: On March 13 or 14 at the lacrosse party, did you physically assault the accuser?
Answer: No. 


Question: On March 13 or 14 at the lacrosse party, did you sexually assault the accuser? 
Answer: No. 


Question: On March 13 or 14 at the lacrosse party, did you actively participate in a sexual assault of the accuser?
Answer: No. 


Series 2 Question: Did you see or hear anything on March 13 or 14 that would indicate the accuser was sexually assaulted at the lacrosse party?
Answer: No. 


Question: Do you have any firsthand information that the accuser was sexually assaulted at the lacrosse party on March 13 or 14? Answer: No. 

http://www.wral.com/news/9230210/detail.html

49 posted on 05/17/2006 10:54:52 AM PDT by TexKat
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To: Peach
I think the LAX accused should counter sue in civil court...if anything.... just to clear their names. Call me bull-headed but no one would get away with calling me a rapist and dragging me through the mud and not feel some kind of repercussions.....

As we have all said from the beginning..."it's all 'bout da benjamins"....

50 posted on 05/17/2006 10:56:31 AM PDT by BossLady
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To: TexKat

Yup. That says it aptly.


51 posted on 05/17/2006 10:59:23 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: pepperhead
Asset protection would be a wise move, civil case or not. A person can go out and redistribute assets to his/her limited partnership and if it's done right, even if a plaintiff did win a judgment, they would get nothing and likely even have to pay tax on the amount of the judgment.

The key is setting it up properly. Do a Google search on "Charging Order" and "Limited Partnership". Important: the partnership needs to be set up with a clause in the agreement that says all earnings in the partnership are to be retained within the partnership.

52 posted on 05/17/2006 11:10:27 AM PDT by TommyDale (North Carolina looks forward to the disbarring of Mike Nifong.)
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To: TexKat
That kind of thinking is why I stay away from churches - Roman Catholic or otherwise. So many people on this board are so religious that I hesitate to post. It is absolutely essential to everything I hold to be right and true that these lax players are completely exonerated unless it be shown that they are incontrovertibly guilty. They should be completely obsessed by this goal. Flame on if you must.

This is more to my line of thinking:

Who steals my purse steals trash; 'tis something, nothing;
'Twas mine, 'tis his, and has been slave to thousands;
But he that filches from me my good name
Robs me of that which not enriches him,
And makes me poor indeed.


William Shakespeare

53 posted on 05/17/2006 11:29:51 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: RetiredArmy

I don't think the original rape charge was made with money in mind. I think Crystal made it to try to avoid going to the mental hospital with the intent of not following up later as she had not followed up on prior "incidents". It became about the money later.


54 posted on 05/17/2006 11:37:08 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Locomotive Breath

As an aside- maybe these kids from Duke will think twice about the kind of 'entertainment' they choose in the future.

They ARE guilty of being degenerate already- thats undeniable.


55 posted on 05/17/2006 11:50:31 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help...)
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To: Locomotive Breath; Peach

"The Earle of Duke"

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5503


56 posted on 05/17/2006 12:01:57 PM PDT by GAgal
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To: Peach

Response #5

http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/main/index.cgi?7580


57 posted on 05/17/2006 12:04:42 PM PDT by GAgal
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To: Mr. K

If you want for it to be admitted some members of the Duke lax team were degenerate for a small part of one evening in March, then will you admit that Crystal and Kim are degenerates more or less full time?


58 posted on 05/17/2006 12:05:10 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: GAgal

Thank you so much for that link, GAgal.


59 posted on 05/17/2006 12:13:00 PM PDT by Peach (DICC's - doing the work for the DNC)
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To: Locomotive Breath

Thank you Jethro Tull.


60 posted on 05/17/2006 12:13:36 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (I've pretty much given up on all politicians. They all lie, cheat, and ignore the voters.)
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