Republicans Vote Against “Secure-First” Approach.

May/16/05 | Screw Boll

[screw boll]

A republican senator proposed a bill that will prohibit the granting of legal status, or adjustment of current status, to any individual who enters or entered the United States in violation of Federal law unless the border security measures are put up front. I9n other words: secure the borders first! The bill failed passage in a 55-40 vote. The Republicans that voted against this measure along side 36 Democrats and one Independent are as follows: Bennett (UT) Brownback (R-KS), Chafee (RI), Coleman (MN), Collins (ME), Craig (ID), DeWine (OH), Graham (SC), Hagel (NE), Lugar (IN), Martinez (FL), Murkowski (AK), Shelby (AL), Snow (ME),Specter (PA), Stevens (AK), Voinovich (OH), Warner (VA)

[BlueStateDepression]

Carolyn, I think his vocal opposition to prop 200 and its implementation already did make him toast.

[elephant]

Amen! Thank God for Talent and Bond.

[RHINO369]

When they agree with Bush. If its against Bush its a dirty Commie lie

[DumpsterDiver]

Can someone post the details of the bill so we can actually see what was voted on and not just a title..

Senate Votes
http://senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/a_three_sections_with_teasers/votes.htm

It was S. Amnt. 3961 to amend S. 2611. You can read more about it at http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:SP03961:

You can read about S. 2611 at http://thomas.loc.gov

[BlueStateDepression]

I think your criticism is valid and that is what drew my post to you.

Alot of folks hate polls when they are at odds and love them when they are the way they want them to be.

MSM is pretty famous for that and that does also extend to individuals as well.

Anything a person wants to come up with can be gained by the way a poll question is asked. That is why I just discount all of them of this type.

[Dominic Harr]

Interesting point -- Not one of the 'nay' R votes was from a Border State.

altho McCain did abstain!

[MOgirl]

Hello,

Me too!!

Glad to be here, MOgirl

[Myrddin]

I just sent an e-mail to Larry Craig asking why he sided with the pro-illegal Democrats on this issue. I pointed out that Senator Crapo supported the measure. Frankly, I smell agricultural lobby influence on his vote...not an interest in protecting the sovereignty of the United States.

[Iron Eagle]

"Seriously, is there anyone who can rationally explain why these R's voted like this?"

Because no single action will stop the influx of illegals. A plan must be comprehensive. On that, Bush was correct. Contrary to the belief of many -- the Borders cannot be realistically secured through enforcement or a wall -- at least not quickly and not at realistic costs. (We couldn't keep terrorists from entering or leaving Falluja and it was surrounded by the U.S. Marines in open desert)

The only way to secure the borders, is to make people not want to come here. That includes a series of serious proposals attacking incentives. (Bush, of course, had none.)

The best way to stop the influx and to actually encourage the return of illegals is through proper incentives and disincentives. No more birthright citizenship. No more preference to parents of anchor babies. No more health care to illegal immigrants --- even on an emergency basis. Most importantly, no more free k-12 education for illegals or the children of illegals. Finally, massive increases in fines for hiring illegals -- which you could use current border patrols to help investigate instead of sitting in the desert chasing shadows. (Companies that hire illegals should have their officers and directors held personally liable for all fines -- that will end the hiring practice)

Together with these reforms, we need to streamline the legal process for entry so that wait list for entry is not 9-15 years as it is in some cases. (Current law allows only 5,000 entrants for low skilled jobs. Almost 1,000,000 lawful immigrants are permitted in this country each year -- and more than 600k come in illegally.

Finally -- and this I think would be met with great U.S. support -- we need to penalize sending countries. I propose foreign aid reductions on a per-deportee basis. By charging Mexico 1-2 million dollars per apprehended illegal alien, we will shift the burden and cost of border enforcement to Mexico. (If illegal immigration were a financial loser for Mexico, it would stop the silent invasion -- probably by force.)
Of course, what do I know. I have only been on the front lines of this battle for 14 years -- talking writing, advising, and litigating the issue before virtualy any other national attention. I drafted the legal strategy for a pending action that will make news any day out of Virginia.
What you are witnessing on capital hill and from the white house is a sell-out. The only question is, how badly will legal immigrants and lawful residents get screwed.

[Past Your Eyes]

Trouble is, only 1/3 of them are up for election every two years and the public has a VERY short memory.

[Soul Seeker]

Agreed.

I do accept polling to an extent, but generally only Rassmussen and Mason Dixon. Occasionally Battleground.

And even with those polls, I do not take unfair advantage. For example, some folks were citing I believe? 36? approval for Bush a few week ago in RASS? I didn't join in discussing it because it was an outlier. Only when he polls at that percentage consistently would i acknowledge it. Just as a blip at 50% wouldn't mean a thing if not consistently in that area for over a week.

Your position is the only true poll, but given we only have elections every two years on one day....people lack an avenue to express themselves other than through these less than satisfactory means. LOL

For what they are worth, while I am extremely upset with the administration right now, I won't suddenly alter my approach to polling and embrace Zogby. I hope folks tempted to do so with CNN will re-consider the temptation.

[claudiustg]

If Bush had come out strong for the House bill, the Senate would have gone along. There are no heroes there.

But let's talk plainly, here. The Senate and the President are selling our birthright down the tubes for some cheap labor.

[Peach]

Posted by Peach to SittinYonder
On News/Activism 05/16/2006 3:27:36 PM EDT · 7 of 7


For those who can't open a PDF file, I've written down what the link from CNN says. I don't know how to print out a PDF file on this forum so here is what the link details:

Do you favor or opposed putting the National Guard on the border?
Favor: 75%
Oppose: 21%
No opinion: 2%

Do you favor or oppose Bush policies on immigration:
Pre Speech:
Positive: 42%
Negative: 38%
No opinion: 2%

After the speech:
Positive: 67%
Oppose: 27%
No opinion: 6%

What was your impression of the speech:
Very positive: 40%
Somewhat positive: 39%
Somewhat negative: 11%
Very negative: 7%
Both: 2%
No opinion: 2%

Do you consider immigration important to the fall elections:
Most important issue: 7%
Very important: 47%
SOmewhat important: 37%
Not important: 7%
No opinion: 2%

Do you favor or oppose the proposal regarding illegals already here for a number of years and the plan for them to stay and earn citizenship:
Favor: 74%
Oppose: 20%
No opinion: 6%

Do you favor or oppose the proposal Bush made to allow foreign people to enter the US to work temporarily?
Favor: 69%
Oppose: 27%
No opinion: 4%

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/images/05/15/top13-may15-2006.pdf

[Soul Seeker]

Sorry, I think I misread your statement.

Please accept my apology. :-)

And I agree in part, except I don't believe the Senate will be moved. I'd focus more on Hastert and the Conservative caucus in the House.

[Chief Engineer]

I just called Sen. Craig's Polcatello office and his Washington office, and in each case the aid knew nothing about either the bill or the Senator's vote.

I pointed out to each of them that the lead item on Sen. Craigs web site was a statement saying that the borders should be closed first, before anything is done about anything else, and that news reports today stated that the Senator voted exactly opposite from his stated position.

They both said that they would get back to me, but Sen. Craig does not use the telephone or E-Mail, but I would get a reply via U.S. Mail (Probably in three weeks or so)

[Arizona Carolyn]

You would have thought he'd get the message -- after all, he traveled up and down the state trying to convince everyone to vote no -- and it passed by 1t least 2/3 vote -- a lot of legal hispanics voted for it -- and yet he stubbornly stays this path.

[spectre]

"When they agree with Bush. If its against Bush its a dirty Commie lie."

Exactly :)

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[pabianice]

"Paging Speaker Pelosi! Will Speaker Pelosi please pick-up the red courtesy phone?"

[savedbygrace]

Of the 18, only four are up for re-election in 2006.

Chafee, DeWine, Lugar, Snowe

The rest are probably figuring on that short voter attention span, and counting on it.

[W04Man]

TOO MANY OF YOU MIX UP THE RINOs WITH THE CINOs.

Neither one has any meaning to me. It is just a label some people put on politiions they disagree with. That's all.

I HATE BOTH TERMS.