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To: Antoninus
Torture was actually prohibited by Pope Nicholas I in AD 866

Yet hundreds of years later - millions would die - the Church was responsible, directly.

below is an excerpt from post #53 - which is only a small part of the bloody history...

But y'all have the histories of the world at your own fingertips - for more.

",,,..."Despite this, the infamous Inquisition was set up by the Literalist Church specifically to eradicate the cathars, which it did with ferocious enthusiasm, burning alive men, women and children. From 1139 onwards the Roman Church began calling councils to condemn the heretics. Pope Innocent III declared that 'anyone who attempted to construe a personal view of God which conflicted with Church dogma must be burned without pity'. "In 1208 he offered indulgences and eternal salvation, as well as the lands and property taken from the heretics, to anyone who would take up the crusade against the Cathars. This launched a brutal 30-year pogrom which decimated southern France. Twelve thousand people were killed at St Nazaire and ten thousand at Toulouse, to give just two examples. "By 1215, the Council of Lateran established the dread Inquisition. During the next 50 years the toll of those killed by this infamous arm of the Church climbed to one million, more than in all of the other crusades against heresies combined. ********************and that was just the Cathars...

******cont before and after on post #53

130 posted on 05/17/2006 2:55:43 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." LINCOLN)
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To: maine-iac7
You seem to enjoy spreading lies and grotesque bigotry. That's no skin of my teeth--you have revealed yourself for what you are. I will pray for your soul.

For any of those who wish to read the truth behind what you have written in such polemical and simplistic terms, I encourage them to visit the following:

Albigenses

Liars and Catholic haters like to paint the Albigensians as peaceful dissidents against the wicked Catholic Church when in fact, nothing could be further from the truth. The crusade against the Cathars was a confusing war with political as well as religious overtones. Nobles switched sides with frequency depending on who seemed in the ascendancy. The Pope was unable to control the excesses of those who supposedly fought under his banners. Wars are horrible things and atrocities were committed on both sides. The Catholic side eventually won.

The banner of the lost Cathar cause was eventually picked up by later Protestants who adopted them as their spiritual forebearers and used their defeat as a cudgel to beat the Catholic Church by inflating death counts to absurd numbers and creating fabulous stories. Apparently, there are still people around who buy into all the 400 year old polemical propaganda without ever seeking the actual facts.
131 posted on 05/17/2006 9:10:32 PM PDT by Antoninus (The Da Vinci Code is the religious equivalent Fahrenheit 911.)
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