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Grand jury may consider new charges in Duke case
Raliegh Observer ^ | 5/15/06 | Ben Niolet

Posted on 05/15/2006 7:14:12 AM PDT by pissant

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To: pepperhead

I'm listening to the link howlin posted up thread.

Cheshire: I hope he doesn't ruin any more player's lives.

Yes, I believe we have enough evidence to prove their innocence. There will be no plea bargain in this case. I've said from the beginning, we can discuss under age drinking, noise violations, but as to a sexual assault - it didn't happen.

I won't go into what did happen that night.

The only discovery we have, things we're entitled to by statute is all we have. We don't have their own statements. Toxicology report. Rape kit. We're entitled to it but the yhaven't been given to us.

They've had noise violations before and underage drinking, so everyone left. I assume they weren't silent, sir.

Q: It's like war between the prosecutors and defense.

Cheshire: We called over and tried to talk to him and he's refused to look at evidence. When there's osmeone who won't act professionally, I don't know how else you do things when you have someone's life on the line.

He's within his rights not to give discovery until it has to be statutorily turned over. Seligmann has to be in court Thursdy so we'll expect evidence then.


481 posted on 05/15/2006 11:52:56 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Howlin; All

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1632580/posts

Also new thread above..


The talking heads have stopped for the moment- back to stupid stuff..


482 posted on 05/15/2006 11:53:02 AM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve..)
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To: CedarDave
It's gotten quiet; no more shouted questions.

Because he stood up to that woman.

483 posted on 05/15/2006 11:53:30 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

It's over!


484 posted on 05/15/2006 11:54:03 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: SE Mom

radio link went dead


485 posted on 05/15/2006 11:54:06 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Howlin

Holy cow, this lawyer is prepared to play hardball, allright. Good for him! It's time somebody has the guts to confront these pigs like that reporter who are trying to gin up a class and race war in Durham. And if a few white people's lives get destroyed, no matter.

From everything we're learning, New Orleans politics must be pristine compared to Durham's.


486 posted on 05/15/2006 11:54:10 AM PDT by JustaCowgirl (Sessions-The immigration bill is a colossal failure. It's a dead horse laying out in the sun.)
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To: Peach

Thanks for asking that question, Peach. I'm seeing comments posted that I didn't hear. LOL Thought I was losing it. LOL Where is the full presser being carried ? Is it local ?


487 posted on 05/15/2006 11:54:21 AM PDT by Darlin' ("You said would I apologize for that?" Bush told him. "The answer is absolutely not.")
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To: Howlin

Just, WOW!

pattyjo


488 posted on 05/15/2006 11:54:45 AM PDT by pj_627
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To: Darlin'

Local - Durham I guess.


489 posted on 05/15/2006 11:54:46 AM PDT by Peach
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To: mewzilla
I hope the alleged victim was watching this.

I hope Nifong's kids and his neighbors are watching this. Maybe one of them could get through to him.

490 posted on 05/15/2006 11:54:56 AM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: Peach

TV link dead too.


491 posted on 05/15/2006 11:55:16 AM PDT by CedarDave (Sleeper trolls are like cicadas - emerge in the heat and contribute nothing but loud annoying noise)
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To: JLS; SirJohnBarleycorn
Summarize?

Ok. But I think SirJohnBarleycorn has described on April 14, 2006 exactly what is going on, best

SirJohn brought up, the trials of the Scottsboro Boys. --snip:

"No crime in American history-- let alone a crime that never occurred-- produced as many trials, convictions, reversals, and retrials as did an alleged gang rape of two white girls by nine black teenagers on a Southern Railroad freight run on March 25, 1931. Over the course of the two decades that followed, the struggle for justice of the "Scottsboro Boys," as the black teens were called, made celebrities out of anonymities, launched and ended careers, wasted lives, produced heroes, opened southern juries to blacks, exacerbated sectional strife, and divided America's political left.

The story of the Scottsboro Boys is one of the most shameful examples of injustice in our nation's history. It makes clear that in the Deep South of the 1930's, jurors were not willing to accord a black charged with raping a white woman the usual presumption of innocence. In fact, one may argue that the presumption seemed reversed: a black was presumed guilty unless he could establish his innocence beyond a reasonable doubt. The cases show that to jurors, black lives didn't count for much. The jurors that in April, 1933 had just voted to sentence Haywood Patterson to death were seen laughing as they emerged from the juryroom. Hannah Arendt wrote of "the banality of evil." Evil rarely comes in the form of monsters, but rather in the form of relatively normal people who, for reasons of careers, ideology, or a desire for society's approval, are indifferent to the human consequences of their actions. Because of indifferent jurors and career-motivated prosecutors, the self-serving and groundless accusations of a single woman were allowed to change forever the lives of nine black teenagers who found themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time. It is easy, especially for a Minnesota native like myself, to look at the story of the Scottsboro Boys and to condemn a whole region of the country. That, however, is unfair. There were good people of the South--courageous newspaper editors, attorneys, ministers, and others-- who fought for justice for the Scottsboro Boys. One southerner's actions stand out above all others. The decision of Judge James Horton to set aside the conviction of Haywood Patterson, despite the dire consequences that decision would have for his own career, was heroism, pure and simple --end snips.

What going on today is the trial of 3 white boys. David Evans declared his innocence and his faith in a system that would prove him right. Joe Cheshire is fighting for justice.

And I just heard an "activist" all but demand these boys be hung by the neck.

492 posted on 05/15/2006 11:55:39 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Peach

Dang.

Wouldn't you love to be part of the "milling around" crowd after THAT performance? Bet it's intense.


493 posted on 05/15/2006 11:55:49 AM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve..)
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To: Peach

Thanks Peach. Excellent job -- I was watching as you were typing. Don't think you missed a thing!!


494 posted on 05/15/2006 11:56:53 AM PDT by CedarDave (Sleeper trolls are like cicadas - emerge in the heat and contribute nothing but loud annoying noise)
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To: Peach; Howlin

This should be interesting...Shep comes up in a few mins and is going to cover this...wonder what HIS slant will be?


495 posted on 05/15/2006 11:57:17 AM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve..)
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To: JustaCowgirl

Amen!


496 posted on 05/15/2006 11:57:29 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: pepperhead
I hope Nifong's kids and his neighbors are watching this. Maybe one of them could get through to him.

I think the only thing liable to get through to Nifong is disbarment.

497 posted on 05/15/2006 11:58:09 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: connectthedots
This is exactly why I said from the beginning that, even if you are innocent, you should not talk to the cops. Nothing good can come from doing so. Cops/prosecutors will twist, misconstrue, and lie about what you said to them if is serves their purpose. You don't talk to them and there is nothing to twist,misconstrue or lie about.

I can see where they were coming from though: "If I just tell him this one thing, surely they will see we're not guilty."

498 posted on 05/15/2006 11:58:48 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: mewzilla
I think the only thing liable to get through to Nifong is disbarment.

I am afraid your right.

499 posted on 05/15/2006 11:59:09 AM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: SE Mom

He thinks they're guilty.


500 posted on 05/15/2006 11:59:41 AM PDT by Howlin
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