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Grand jury may consider new charges in Duke case
Raliegh Observer ^ | 5/15/06 | Ben Niolet

Posted on 05/15/2006 7:14:12 AM PDT by pissant

DURHAM - A Durham grand jury is scheduled to meet today, and the session could mean new charges in the investigation of a reported rape at a Duke lacrosse team party.

Two of the team's players were indicted in April on charges of first degree rape, first degree sex offense and first degree kidnapping. They are accused of assaulting an escort service dancer in a bathroom of a house at 610 N. Buchanan Blvd. Their lawyers say the men are innocent, and lawyers representing dozens of team members say that no sex or assault occurred at the March 13 party.

But the woman says she was attacked by three men, and Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong said he has been working on bringing charges against a third person.

WHAT WILL HAPPEN TODAY? If Nifong decides to submit the case, police investigators and possibly other witnesses will try to convince grand jurors in a secret session that the state has probable cause to bring a case forward. Grand jurors will hear only the prosecution's side of the case. The standard required for a true bill of indictment is far lower than the beyond-a-reasonable-doubt standard required for a conviction.

IF INDICTMENTS ARE ISSUED, WHEN WILL THEY BECOME PUBLIC? On April 17, a judge ordered the indictments in the lacrosse case sealed. The names of the players who were indicted were not released until 5 a.m. the next day when the players surrendered at the Durham County jail. If Nifong again requests that the indictments be sealed, the law allows a judge to keep them secret until the person is arrested or appears in court.

WHEN WILL ALL THE EVIDENCE BE REVEALED? State law requires prosecutors to turn over all of their case files to defense lawyers, but nothing requires the evidence to be turned over to the public. In open court hearings, lawyers often discuss some of the evidence, but the state's case may not be revealed until trial. No trial dates have been set. When a report on the DNA testing is complete, Nifong is required by law to turn it over to all 46 members of the lacrosse team who submitted DNA samples.

WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? The cases against Reade William Seligmann, 20, of Essex Fells, N.J., and Collin Finnerty, 19, of Garden City, N.Y., are moving forward. Finnerty has a court date in June. Seligmann is scheduled to appear in court Thursday. His attorney, Kirk Osborn, has filed a series of motions challenging Nifong's handling of the case and asking a judge to bar the prosecutor from further involvement.


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KEYWORDS: duke; dukelax; wtf
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To: stands2reason

H&C have panel on the case now:

1. Guifoyle likes the statement Evans made.

2. Pirro saying how Evan's actions and statements are compelling. Asks what does Nifong have?

3. Cocker-Snyder expresses much doubt. Alan ask but he asked the prosecutor to give him one.

4. Alan we don't know what the prosecutor knows.

5. Bob Massi likes the Evans statement too. Says indictments are not that hard to get and he is suppose to have enough to get a conviction.

6. Guilfolye thinks the woman's past has surprised him. Hopes as an officer of the court he stops this if he has no more.

7. Guilfolye trying saying victims sometimes misidentify.


1,921 posted on 05/16/2006 6:27:01 PM PDT by JLS
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To: toldyou

Can they countersue these two skanks for libel, slander, or making false charges?


1,922 posted on 05/16/2006 6:30:02 PM PDT by Cecily
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To: Howlin
Got to jump in here before I get called back to the living room with hubby.

Saw Tucker Carlson last night and he said TWICE that he wondered if the Justice Department should step in and check out what is going on in Durham. (not sure if those were his exact words but very close)

1,923 posted on 05/16/2006 6:30:04 PM PDT by gopheraj
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To: mystery-ak

Once again, they are way behind the story. Old news again...we dissected Willie Gary a long time ago.


1,924 posted on 05/16/2006 6:31:15 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: JLS

Judge Leslie Crock-of Snyder is the only real kool-aid drinker left on this panel.


1,925 posted on 05/16/2006 6:31:45 PM PDT by za_claws
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To: toldyou

Who do they think they are going to sue? Do they think 20 year old college student have lots of money and assets?


1,926 posted on 05/16/2006 6:32:16 PM PDT by JLS
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To: JLS

They probably think the parents will pay to settle to make them go away. Like their mentor Je$$e Jack$on, they are shakedown artists.


1,927 posted on 05/16/2006 6:35:01 PM PDT by Cecily
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To: JLS

More H&C:

1. One woman saying the victim is not getting a fair shake????

2. Piro says it is a difficult case. Piro says that way is relavent is a woman alledging oral, vaginal and annal penetration yet no DA.

3. Guilfoyle says the DA claims he is not worried about the time frame.

4. Alan plays feminazi and claims the woman is getting smeared. Massi is concerned with the ego of a DA out on the ledge.

5. Massi says the accused are being victimized. Piro says DA must have more.

6. Guilfolye claims that she is a student. HA. And a navy vet, I guess she means that she was in the Navy not that she had children with most of the US Navy.


1,928 posted on 05/16/2006 6:37:49 PM PDT by JLS
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To: JLS

Uh Oh Guilfoyle back in her "We'll see" mode!
She sure blows with the wind...


1,929 posted on 05/16/2006 6:40:57 PM PDT by Neverforget01 (Proud enemy of the DBM)
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To: za_claws

Yeah she is a kool-aid drinker. The feminazis need to see that after Bryant, Duke Lacrosse etal, they need a high profile case where the woman was actually raped and is not a walking sperm bank. Case after case they back the losing side and the marginalize themselves.

I can certainly see how these cases could make someone think twice about reporting a rape by an aquaintance. Maybe they should catch a hint and not always hype up the hooker rape claims?


1,930 posted on 05/16/2006 6:41:07 PM PDT by JLS
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To: Cecily

I would pay for all the attorneys in the world for my 23 year old daughter if she faced criminal issues. On the other hand, I would not worry about her civil liability.

Heck I would buy her a house if I had to if something like this drove her into bankrupcy. I would rather my money go to her than some jerk like his FA.


1,931 posted on 05/16/2006 6:43:28 PM PDT by JLS
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To: toldyou
Civil cases already being discussed by Mangum's and Robert's attorneys.

I'm highly skeptical that the two strippers will sue because the discovery process would be so damning. My understanding is that the rules governing what evidence can be introduced in a rape case are not the same as in a civil case.

1,932 posted on 05/16/2006 6:52:03 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Neverforget01

Uh Oh Guilfoyle back in her "We'll see" mode!
She sure blows with the wind...
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When one of the feminazis starts to weaken just a bit, the others force them back on the plantation. She was on a panel with another feminazi and so she backs down.

It is relevant if this FA is nuts. It is relevant that this FA made a previos false accusation, really two. It does matter that this woman is a hooker. Juries had it right and the feminazis wrong. A hooker should not be raped, but the damage done by raping a hooker is not the same as raping some 13 year old girl out jogging. Juries know that if you have a boyfriend you are sleeping with and get caught sleeping with someone else you have an incentive to cry rape.


1,933 posted on 05/16/2006 6:52:58 PM PDT by JLS
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To: stands2reason

If you're a boy, I would assume there are even fingerprints on the sat....unless you're one of those.


1,934 posted on 05/16/2006 6:53:49 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Sacajaweau

Leaving the seat up should carry criminal and civil penalities.


1,935 posted on 05/16/2006 6:56:02 PM PDT by RecallMoran (Recall Brodhead)
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To: za_claws
I'll bet you every one of those boys took a poly test. At that age, they'd be just too damn curious to let the opportunity pass. They want their own statistic. It's not admissable court and each could hold their own record unto themselves.

Wouldn't be surprised if one of these kids winds up in a Forensics lab because of this.

1,936 posted on 05/16/2006 7:00:56 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: JLS
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Kimberly says "We'll See" (she hopes)

1,937 posted on 05/16/2006 7:01:18 PM PDT by Neverforget01 (Proud enemy of the DBM)
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To: Neverforget01
Uh Oh Guilfoyle back in her "We'll see" mode! She sure blows with the wind...

Fixed it:)

1,938 posted on 05/16/2006 7:03:03 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

ROFL


1,939 posted on 05/16/2006 7:09:15 PM PDT by Neverforget01 (Proud enemy of the DBM)
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To: Neverforget01
I'd like to say the case is so interesting because it has taken so many twists and turns. However, from day 1, nothing has changed. As far as I can see, they are even MORE innocent of rape than on the day they were accused.

Someone elses semen on Crystal says it all.

1,940 posted on 05/16/2006 7:21:51 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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