Hacker fears 'UFO cover-up'-(ccused of hacking into Nasa and the US military)

In 2002, Gary McKinnon was arrested by the UK's national high-tech crime unit, after being accused of hacking into Nasa and the US military computer networks.

He says he spent two years looking for photographic evidence of alien spacecraft and advanced power technology.

America now wants to put him on trial, and if tried there he could face 60 years behind bars.

Banned from using the internet, Gary spoke to Click presenter Spencer Kelly to tell his side of the story, ahead of his extradition hearing on Wednesday, 10 May. You can read what he had to say here.

Spencer Kelly: Here's your list of charges: you hacked into the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, the Department of Defense, and Nasa, amongst other things. Why?

Gary McKinnon: I was in search of suppressed technology, laughingly referred to as UFO technology. I think it's the biggest kept secret in the world because of its comic value, but it's a very important thing.

Old-age pensioners can't pay their fuel bills, countries are invaded to award oil contracts to the West, and meanwhile secretive parts of the secret government are sitting on suppressed technology for free energy.

SK: How did you go about trying to find the stuff you were looking for in Nasa, in the Department of Defense?

GM: Unlike the press would have you believe, it wasn't very clever. I searched for blank passwords, I wrote a tiny Perl script that tied together other people's programs that search for blank passwords, so you could scan 65,000 machines in just over eight minutes.

SK: So you're saying that you found computers which had a high-ranking status, administrator status, which hadn't had their passwords set - they were still set to default?

SK: Were you the only hacker to make it past the slightly lower-than-expected lines of defence?

GM: Yes, exactly, there were no lines of defence. There was a permanent tenancy of foreign hackers. You could run a command when you were on the machine that showed connections from all over the world, check the IP address to see if it was another military base or whatever, and it wasn't.

The General Accounting Office in America has again published another damning report saying that federal security is very, very poor.

SK: Over what kind of period were you hacking into these computers? Was it a one-time only, or for the course of a week?

UFO? A bird or a plane?... Gary was not able to get a picture of what he saw GM: Oh no, it was a couple of years.

GM: Yes, I'd always be juggling different time zones. Doing it at night time there's hopefully not many people around. But there was one occasion when a network engineer saw me and actually questioned me and we actually talked to each other via WordPad, which was very, very strange.

GM: He said "What are you doing?" which was a bit shocking. I told him I was from Military Computer Security, which he fully believed.

GM: There was a group called the Disclosure Project. They published a book which had 400 expert witnesses ranging from civilian air traffic controllers, through military radar operators, right up to the chaps who were responsible for whether or not to launch nuclear missiles.

They are some very credible, relied upon people, all saying yes, there is UFO technology, there's anti-gravity, there's free energy, and it's extra-terrestrial in origin, and we've captured spacecraft and reverse-engineered it.

GM: One of these people was a Nasa photographic expert, and she said that in building eight of Johnson Space Centre they regularly airbrushed out images of UFOs from the high-resolution satellite imaging. What she said was there was there: there were folders called "filtered" and "unfiltered", "processed" and "raw", something like that.

I got one picture out of the folder, and bearing in mind this is a 56k dial-up, so a very slow internet connection, in dial-up days, using the remote control programme I turned the colour down to 4bit colour and the screen resolution really, really low, and even then the picture was still juddering as it came onto the screen.

But what came on to the screen was amazing. It was a culmination of all my efforts. It was a picture of something that definitely wasn't man-made.

It was above the Earth's hemisphere. It kind of looked like a satellite. It was cigar-shaped and had geodesic domes above, below, to the left, the right and both ends of it, and although it was a low-resolution picture it was very close up.

This thing was hanging in space, the earth's hemisphere visible below it, and no rivets, no seams, none of the stuff associated with normal man-made manufacturing.

GM: I don't know... For me, it was more than a coincidence. This woman has said: "This is what happens, in this building, in this space centre". I went into that building, that space centre, and saw exactly that.

GM: No, the graphical remote viewer works frame by frame. It's a Java application, so there's nothing to save on your hard drive, or at least if it is, only one frame at a time.

SK: You acknowledge that what you did was against the law, it was wrong, don't you?

SK: What do you think is a suitable punishment for someone who did what you did?

GM: Firstly, because of what I was looking for, I think I was morally correct. Even though I regret it now, I think the free energy technology should be publicly available.

I want to be tried in my own country, under the Computer Misuse Act, and I want evidence brought forward, or at least want the Americans to have to provide evidence in order to extradite me, because I know there is no evidence of damage.

Nasa told Click that it does not discuss computer security issues or legal matters. It denied it would ever manipulate images in order to deceive and said it had a policy of open and full disclosure, adding it had no direct evidence of extra-terrestrial life.

You seem EXCEEDINGLY more willing to accept the error of believing that nothing is there when there is vs the error of believing that something is there when there isn't.

To me, that bias is not logical.

Lots of information is first detected at intuitive, nuance sorts of 'holographic' levels well before any kind of remotely solid proof is available.

As my expert boss said . . . it was the flakey, fringe organizations which first most correctly identified the sort of person Hitler was and what he would do.

Of course, our personal comfort zones and biases help/cause us to filter out all manner of data. Some such filtering is greatly successful and spares us pain and other costs. Some is greatly flawed and costs us greatly because of it's flawedness.

In any case, the UFO stuff will out at some point. Though, it's interesting that many in the field are claiming the last year or so that it will NEVER be outted because the powers that be holding the info are too afraid of being lynched for botching so much of the handling of the situation.

I still believe that the ET's etc. will force the issue at some point. And, that it will all figure in to the END TIMES stuff.

I saw this at the time of the broadcast, I'm sure others here did as well:

Desert Rat
Larry King Live
Quotes from transcript
Issue #20. December 19, 1994
DR. STEVEN GREER: "Let me say, though, that I do think that within the decade that it is likely that an undeniable event will transpire. There [is] the proliferation of video cameras and other technologies such that some of the events that have happened in the past decades, if they were to happen now in 1994, there is a higher and higher chance that this would result in undeniable evidence."

KING: "Are you encouraged that this administration would help?"

DR. GREER: "Yes."

KING: "Therefore you think that President Clinton does not now know what you may know."

DR. GREER: "I really shouldn't comment on that."

[Awkward pause.]

STANTON FRIEDMAN: "That's a mysterious comment."

DR. GREER: "What I think is that the current administration, the cabinet level people are probably not informed to the level that they should be. And to the extent that they have been informed, it is probably disinformation not information."

Greer's "I really shouldn't comment on that" triggered every b---s--- detector on Earth. And twelve years later, no undeniable event has appeared on video, although some fakes have. Also, Greer's claim (on the same show) that he and his associates had learned to guide in UFOs using high powered flashlights seems to have disappeared from radar.

I'd have very little surprise if the President (any President) of the United States disclosed that the gov't has extraterrestrial technology, but I'd be surprised if that event ever takes place. Such information would have probably destructive effects on society, and particularly on governance. By analogy, using a hypothetical example, if the President disclosed that a famous bandleader didn't really die in a plane crash, but had instead suffered a closed head injury during a bar brawl, and wound up dying sometime after his official death, in a military hospital in Ohio, the political ramifications would be disastrous. If the gov't would keep a secret seemingly that trivial, imagine the motivation for keeping something really significant. But I digress.

You seem EXCEEDINGLY more willing to accept the error of believing that nothing is there when there is vs the error of believing that something is there when there isn't.

To me, that bias is not logical.

Actually, your statement is not logical -- I reject Greer as a source, but he is obviously not a primary source by any stretch, and I regard him as a charlatan, the same way I regard Hoaxland as a charlatan. Greer is also not by any stretch the only source for UFO / alien anecdotes. I don't reject UFO sightings on a priori grounds -- that's the approach of the skepticultists.

The problem with the study of UFO sightings is, they are all studied second or third hand by people who were not there, and not uncommonly some time after the event. That leads to either tantalizing brevity (most sightings don't take all that long to describe, and took even less time to experience), or ponderous over-analysis in which the author's conclusions and assumptions are expanded for chapters. That's true on both sides of the aisle.

As my expert boss said . . . it was the flakey, fringe organizations which first most correctly identified the sort of person Hitler was and what he would do.

I don't regard Churchill as flakey or fringe. He got his information about Hitler from Hitler's own writings. Hitler made no secret of what he wanted to do. OTOH, the surrealist artist, Salvador Dali, regarded Hitler "as a masochist obsessed with the idee fixe of starting a war and losing it in a heroic style."

Of course, our personal comfort zones and biases help/cause us to filter out all manner of data. Some such filtering is greatly successful and spares us pain and other costs. Some is greatly flawed and costs us greatly because of it's flawedness.

I get a good laugh out of people who are certain they're in telepathic contact with galactic councils and alien civilizations and whatnot; also with purported abductees who claim the abductions have been going on since their childhoods; and of course with anyone who sez the aliens want us to stop using AquaNet, wearing fur, eating meat, whatever.

My comfort zone is, that the different waves of sightings -- in each of which stylistically similar vehicles seem to be involved -- are the result of short periods of visits by varioous different civilizations. They pop in, check things out, and move on, possibly never to return. There are plenty of places to investigate, the Earth being just one of those. And there are plenty of planets from which they can originate. I consider that to be a pretty minimal interpretation, and keeps Earth out of the center of the universe.

In any case, the UFO stuff will out at some point. Though, it's interesting that many in the field are claiming the last year or so that it will NEVER be outted because the powers that be holding the info are too afraid of being lynched for botching so much of the handling of the situation.

I've read that the Mayan astrologers used eclipses to maintain their hold on power -- they'd announce that something was going to eat the Sun, or eat the Moon, the exact date of the event, and also that they would use all their skills and spells to avert it and minimize the consequences. When the eclipse happened, right on schedule, and the Sun or Moon emerged unscathed, everyone would be grateful that such wise people were in charge.

SImilarly, the global warming demagogues claim that the ocean level will rise by (last I checked) a whopping 7 inches by 2100 AD. That's .07 inches a year, an amount that isn't really viably measured. And the same demagoges claim that most of the increase will happen closer to 2100 than to 2000. That's what's known as job security.

Something analogous is going on (and has been) in the UFO field, and for that matter, by Hoaxland. Got to keep the pressure on, because the government may otherwise never disclose what it has or knows. And we don't have any idea when the disclosure may happen, maybe never. Stay tuned, keep buying the books (and the story).

I still believe that the ET's etc. will force the issue at some point. And, that it will all figure in to the END TIMES stuff.

There have been a number of fringe sects which have claimed that the Earth would end on a specified date. The closer the date got, the more wound up they got, to the point that they'd give away whatever property they had left and headed for some spot where their safety (or afterlife) was assured. And the Earth is still here.

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