YOUR PAPERS, PLEASE …Is coming national ID 'mark of the beast'?

WND ^ | May 5 06 | Ron Strom

[churchillbuff]

Is the national ID card the next step toward the imposition of the biblical "mark of the beast" Christians believe will be required to buy and sell during the Last Days?

That's the contention of a growing group of believers who are working to turn back the approval of the Real ID Act by Congress last year. Public Law 109-13 requires the national ID portion of the plan go into effect by May 2008.

"There is a prophecy in the Bible that foretells a time when every person will be required to have a mark or a number, without which he or she will not be able to participate in the economy," states the Christian website NoNationalID.com. "The prophecy is 2,000 years old, but it has been impossible for it to come to pass until now. With the invention of the computer and the Internet, this prophecy of buying and selling, using a number, can now be implemented at any time. Has the time for the fulfillment of this prophecy arrived?"

The site asks visitors to sign an online petition vowing not to vote for any candidate who does not commit to repealing the Real ID Act.

The goal, states the site, which is sponsored by Endtime Ministries, is to get 100,000 signatures on the petition.

On the site is a link to purchase a DVD entitled "666 – How Close? Will the National ID Become the Mark of the Beast?"

Americans choosing not to carry a national ID, the site warns, will be prohibited from driving a car, boarding a plane, train or bus, entering any federal building, opening a bank account, or possibly from holding a job.

"This is probably our last chance to head off the mechanism before it is actually implemented as the mark," states the site in the FAQ section. "It truly may be now or never."

The Real ID Act requires states to participate in a federal data-sharing program when issuing driver's licenses, making those licenses de facto national ID cards.

Touted as a tool of the war on terrorism, the ID card provision of the law, which also includes border-security measures, has attracted the most negative attention.

After May 11, 2008, "a federal agency may not accept, for any official purpose, a driver's license or identification card issued by a State to any person unless the State is meeting the requirements" specified in the Real ID Act. While states can issue non-federal ID cards, they would not be accepted by the Transportation Security Administration for travel purposes, grounding those who don't carry federally approved cards.

The data required to be included in each card are, among other things, the person's full legal name, date of birth, gender, driver's license number, a digital photo, the person's address and machine-readable technology so the information can be ready easily by government or banking personnel.

Each state must agree to share the data on the cards with every other state.

Supporters of the law say it does not require a "national" ID card because each state issues its own cards, not the federal government. But detractors note the cards are virtual national IDs since the federal law has dictated what data must be included and that each state must share its database with the others.

The New Hampshire Senate yesterday voted to reject a bill to rebel against the Real ID system and not participate in a pilot program for which the state had been tapped. The state House of Representatives passed the measure last month, but the Senate instead voted to study the driver's license requirements.

U.S. Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., is urging his home state to give Real ID a try, saying it's needed to keep terrorists and illegal aliens from entering the country.

According to the Manchester Union Leader, Gregg argues that New Hampshire residents will find it difficult to get on airplanes or enter federal buildings if New Hampshire doesn't embrace Real ID.

Groups opposed to the Real ID Act are making strange bedfellows, with Christians like those running NoNationalID.com fighting on the same side with the American Civil Liberties Union, which sponsors the website RealNightmare.org.

The ACLU site decries the fact that a motor vehicles department staff person will be required to ask for immigration-status papers from those applying for driver's licenses.

"REAL ID will inevitably cause discrimination against U.S. citizens who may 'look' or 'sound' foreign to a DMV bureaucrat," states the site. "REAL ID requires DMV employees to decide whether someone is a citizen or foreigner before issuing a driver's license. The law demands that DMV bureaucrats distinguish among citizens, permanent resident immigrants and other non-citizens in deciding who is eligible for a license and what type of license may be issued.

"Based on past experience when similar requirements were imposed on employers, widespread discrimination resulted against citizens who 'looked' or 'sounded' foreign."

The civil-liberties group also slams a requirement of the law that some immigrants be issued a temporary "tier-two" license that has a prominent expiration date.

U.S. governors also have come out against the law, saying it is a huge unfunded mandate imposed on the nation's states.

The National Conference of State Legislatures is equally opposed to the Real ID Act, saying, "Federal legislators and rule makers are negating state driver's license security efforts, imposing difficult-to-comply-with mandates and limiting their flexibility to address new concerns as they arise. In other words, decades of state experience is being substituted for a 'command and control regime' from a level of government that has no driver's license regulatory experience."

Endtime Ministries' Irvin Baxter, a radio host, believes the national ID is a precursor to the forced embedding of radio-frequency chips under the skin.

Baxter told the Concord, N.H., Monitor: "That's where we are headed right now. The prophecy states that you will have to receive a mark on your hand or in your forehead."

[Crispus Attucks Patriot]

This is why conservatives need to stay home on election day. The GOP deserves to get beat.

[Military family member]

Doesn't it also say that those who will be saved are to be marked first, and that when the end comes it will come, "as a thief in the night."

[Military family member]

Doesn't it also say that those who will be saved are to be marked first, and that when the end comes it will come, "as a thief in the night."

[P8riot]

.....Well, I have all the protection I need from Gustav Glock

Actually it's Gaston Glock, but your point is well taken.

[Hambone02]

Supposedly the UN is looking into the same technology and wants to make the ID internationally accepted. Britain already has a National ID in the works. Ours will be very much like theirs, and eventually be accepted by both countries as a type of passport. Many other nations are looking into this. The UN wants to make the world ONE and eventually travel between countries will be just as simple as travel between the US states.

[Crispus Attucks Patriot]

Remember, you asked for it.

http://www.wndu.com/news/102003/news_22334.php

[sinkspur]

This is why conservatives need to stay home on election day. The GOP deserves to get beat.

Is this post consistent with the objectives of Free Republic?

[VaBthang4]

So what if it is?

Ya cant stop it and I'll be outta here before it kicks in anyway so what do I care?

[Hambone02]

The GOP deserves to get beat.

It will be the American People that lose if Hillary gets in there...

[american spirit]

I'm glad that you're just so positive this new type of ID will not have any negative effects on our personal liberties. I'm sure you and others will point to how effective Homeland Security has been as far as deterring terrorism by the tactics they've used for shaking down gray-haired white folks in airports........and I'm confident that any day now they'll figure out a way to protect our southern border.......yep, any day now.

[melancton]

I will offer folsk on this thread that an official REAL ID is the governments way of recognizing our individuality.

Sure. Just like the income tax and federal gun laws are meant to celebrate our individuality.

There is no right not to be ID'd.

And there is no right granted to the federal government by the Constitution to enact a national ID.

SOme say this is the same as Nazi antics. They intentionally miss the fact that the policy the germans employed was to weed out jews for extermination.

And how do we know that a national ID wouldn't be used to weed out those who criticize government policy? Of course, government apologists wouldn't have to worry about that.     

[Crispus Attucks Patriot]

Except at Caesar's Palace in Vegas.

They don't have a 15th floor....for the Ides of March.

[BlueStateDepression]

How exactly is my identity a violation of my personal liberty?

[Luke21]

Sink always takes the liberal position on any issue discussed here. "Big government is good. Intrusive government good. Christians are nuts. People must be controlled to protect the government...." Different thread. Same thing. I've been here since 1998 and I'm still waiting for a conservative post from some of these people.

Remember, we have our own group of sarcastic liberals right here on FR. Who needs DU?

[Crispus Attucks Patriot]

Who's side are you on?

[MineralMan]

Ah....WordNutzDaily speaks again.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I have at least three forms of ID in my wallet. Worrying about a national ID card seems a bit silly at this point.

[Crispus Attucks Patriot]

There is a difference between conservatives and Republicans.

I wouldn't call Arlen Specter and John McCain conservatives, would you?

[BooksForTheRight.com]

It's not the mark of the beast, but it won't work, because this country does not apply laws equally to all people, regardless of national origin, race or religion.
Law-abiding citizens would do what is required by law, and then there would be those who wouldn't care, aided and abetted by the ACLU and the democratic party.

[MineralMan]

"How long before we are required to carry "domestic passports" in order to fly, ala the 1070s Soviet Union?"

No time at all. Try flying now without a government-issued ID.

[ActionNewsBill]

This ID will be used to make ordinary functions in society be orderly, organized, and far more efficient than it is today.

Yep...as long as it keeps the trains running on time, there will always be brainwashed sheeple who will support this BS.