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Lacrosse players face old charges (Nifong retaliates against Duke Lax)
News & Observer ^ | April 25, 2006 | Benjamin Niolet and Joseph Neff

Posted on 04/25/2006 2:34:48 AM PDT by abb

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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!


41 posted on 04/25/2006 4:29:42 AM PDT by toldyou
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
LOL, good point.

AAAAAAAH!


42 posted on 04/25/2006 4:34:19 AM PDT by maggief (And the dessert cart rolls on ...)
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To: abb
I'm still looking for the words to describe Nifong's latest outrage. You've nailed it, I think.

Can you even imagine what the parents must be feeling and thinking?

43 posted on 04/25/2006 4:37:22 AM PDT by Carolinamom
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To: abb
Sixteen players over three years. I wonder how many players are still on deferred probation?

The guys who live in the house are pretty much sitting ducks on these reinstatements. However, I do not see how Nifong can prove the non-resident violations since he has put all the players in a position (as a potential John Doe #3) where they will likely need to invoke their Fifth Amendment privileges.

44 posted on 04/25/2006 4:52:57 AM PDT by writmeister
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To: Carolinamom

I honestly think this man is INSANE. Does he really believe this woman, after all he HAS to know about her.

The players are not going to turn anybody in because there WAS NO RAPE!!!!!!!!!!!

As far as Mangum being so traumatized she cannot sleep..blah blah blah.

I think if these hustlers think they will be getting a fat check from the parents, there will be no chance in hell of that. They'll have to fight for that money...all the way.


45 posted on 04/25/2006 4:57:55 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: maggief
Unreal! What about the PAROLE vioations of the strippers?

Do you have details about this?

46 posted on 04/25/2006 5:00:00 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: abb
Nifong said he will reinstate the charges against players whose deferred prosecution deals are still active, unless they can show they were not at the party.

He said he is reinstating a noise violation and an alcohol possession charge against Evans because he was one of the men who threw the party.

"He was one of the people who rented the house that was serving alcohol to underage people and hiring strippers," Nifong said in an interview. "

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not illegal to hire strippers. Also, just being on the lease is also insufficient to demonstrate that Evans served alcohol to minors (which he may well have done, for all I know). I'm sure their lawyers will fight this, and may win.

And anyway, while it would obviously be better to have no record at all, on the other hand a misdemeanor for a loud party or open beer container against a college kid ain't going to keep that kid off of wall street, out of medical school, out of business school, or what have you.

If this is Nifong's best shot at cracking these kids to make someone fess up, then he's got absolutely nothing.

47 posted on 04/25/2006 5:05:34 AM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: maggief

I read somewhere that Seligmann and Finnerty weren't among the 15 players with Durham deals for prior misdemeanors.

David Evans was one of the three captains who gave statements and were interviewed on the day the house was searched. He may have admitted some responsibility in a keg being there that night, so his previous deal being reevaluated might make sense.

On what basis would the rest of the players with prior deals be in trouble? The police were called there because of Kim's 911 call about racial slurs, but even if true name-calling isn't illegal is it, and only the "cotton shirt" comment from one unnamed player was witnessed. There was no noise violation charged, or public urination, or underaged drinking that could be proved now.

So why would their mere presence at the party be grounds for Nifong to rescind previous agreements? Wouldn't they have to have been charged with committing another illegal act?


48 posted on 04/25/2006 5:09:10 AM PDT by GAgal
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

It's for sure Nifong's bet all the chips. I don't think he knows how to get off the runaway train now...


49 posted on 04/25/2006 5:15:59 AM PDT by abb (Because News Reporting is too important to be left to the Journalists.)
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To: fhayek

I should have phrased that parole/probation violations:



http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/college/3816101.html


In Monday's motions, Osborn wrote that no forensic evidence links Seligmann to the alleged crimes, based on the limited information provided to the defense by prosecutors.

The case is based only on the accuser's testimony, and she has given conflicting accounts to authorities, Osborn wrote.

The defense motions asked for information about the accuser's mental health, any hospital commitments and drug abuse, and information about her probation and parole.

http://rdu.news14.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=83529


Roberts, 31, was arrested on March 22 — eight days after the party — on a probation violation from a 2001 conviction for embezzling $25,000 from a photofinishing company in Durham where she was a payroll specialist, according to documents obtained by the AP.

On Monday, the same day a grand jury indicted lacrosse players Reade Seligmann and Collin Finnerty, a judge agreed to a change so that Roberts would no longer have to pay a 15 percent fee to a bonding agent. District Attorney Mike Nifong signed a document saying he would not oppose the change.


50 posted on 04/25/2006 5:25:19 AM PDT by maggief (And the dessert cart rolls on ...)
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To: GAgal
From the article:

"He was one of the people who rented the house that was serving alcohol to underage people and hiring strippers," Nifong said in an interview. "In order to put somebody under deferred prosecution, the DA has to, under requirements of the statute, certify that he does not believe the person is likely to do any further criminal acts. Under the circumstances, it's hard for me to see how we could maintain that."

Serving alcohol to underage people is illegal, but is hiring "strippers," (Note to DA: the pc term is exotic dancers), a criminal act?
51 posted on 04/25/2006 5:34:13 AM PDT by maggief (And the dessert cart rolls on ...)
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To: maggief

From the PR standpoint, this could be a problem for Nifong. It will be perceived as unfair. Legality and justice have nothing to do with this case anymore, if they ever did. It's a political battle and it always has been...


52 posted on 04/25/2006 5:38:09 AM PDT by abb (Because News Reporting is too important to be left to the Journalists.)
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To: Howlin; abb

Thanks for ping and post.


53 posted on 04/25/2006 5:40:01 AM PDT by bwteim (Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: abb

Yes, the election will be interesting to watch, his competitor should play this up for all that it is worth, ask the people do you want a fair shake or do you want blackmail and retribution when a case doesn't go the "persecutor's" way. I think it's time the accusers identity becomes public, this is way out of control.


54 posted on 04/25/2006 5:44:10 AM PDT by thomas16
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To: abb; GAgal

We don't know how many of the 16 players were at the party, (nor does Nifong,) and of those there how many have active cases.

http://rdu.news14.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=83529

According to court records, 16 players were charged in the past three years with misdemeanor charges in Durham including noise violations, public urination and alcohol violations. The deals placed the men on probation for either six months or a year. They were to complete community service and, in some cases, were required to abide by the rules and regulations of the university.

Nifong said he will reinstate the charges against players whose deferred prosecution deals are still active, unless they can show that they were not at the party.


55 posted on 04/25/2006 5:45:39 AM PDT by maggief (And the dessert cart rolls on ...)
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To: maggief

So guilty until proven innocent, Nifong is a true idiot.


56 posted on 04/25/2006 5:48:29 AM PDT by thomas16
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To: abb
I can't believe I'm waking up to this--the nightmare for these kids continues!!!

From the PR standpoint, this could be a problem for Nifong. It will be perceived as unfair. Legality and justice have nothing to do with this case anymore, if they ever did. It's a political battle and it always has been...

From your lips to the voters ears

57 posted on 04/25/2006 5:53:36 AM PDT by Neverforget01 (Proud enemy of the drive-by-media)
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To: maggief; Howlin; abb; All; GAgal; DB; Carolinamom; Jrabbit; bvw; xsmommy; Alia; ...

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58 posted on 04/25/2006 5:54:56 AM PDT by toldyou
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To: abb

Look at the title of this thread!!! Is Nifong a DA or someone out for revenge? He has to be brought up on ethics charges when this is done!!


59 posted on 04/25/2006 5:55:20 AM PDT by Neverforget01 (Proud enemy of the drive-by-media)
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To: Neverforget01

When I said political issue, I should have been more clear. I didn't mean Nifgon's re-electio, although that's a componenet of the mix. By "political" I mean global. Good vs. Evil. Right vs. Wrong. The stakes are no less than an attempt to extract REPARATIONS via the justice system for injustices, both real and perceived.


60 posted on 04/25/2006 6:01:57 AM PDT by abb (Because News Reporting is too important to be left to the Journalists.)
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