Posted on 04/21/2006 9:35:10 AM PDT by Al Gator
Which justifies criminal behavior now?
If the officer had been killed, would you say to his family, "oh well, we took his land, he had a right to try and kill a cop"?
I didn't realize we had racial apologists here at FR.
Be careful here. There may have been NO criminal behaviour here.
Read the article carefully. There is a question about the treaty that the Ramapoughs have with the COUNTY, and the state.
That's why this will get a thorough investigation.
Could it be that people who are treated differently get used to lauding it over those lessers, even the lessers authority figures? I wish I could hunt, fish, do whatever I desire all the time and anywhere just because of my ancestors. Indians who desire the tribal life should be restricted to the tribal land and should have a visa and be subject to visitors rules to visit the U.S.
While their criminal behavior was not justified, we can't be sure that the officer was in any danger. We've now been told two different stories of what actually happened, and the truth is probably somewhere in between. Hopefully the investigation will get to the bottom of this.
Just early stages of eminent domain.
For the rangers to escalate the situation because of ATV riding is pretty lame. From the article it sounds like egos ruled the day.
Goggle: Jackson Whites for a history. 'Jacks' were a slang term referring to freed blacks at the time. Also another theory part of the ancestry was from jamaican women captured to serve as , well, you know, to revolutionary soldiers in the area.
But, its more profitable to be an Indian nation these days.
Always assume the cops are lying, because they usually are.
I don't know the whole of the treaty. I THINK the Ramapoughs are recognized owners of that portion of the Bergen COUNTY park, and that park is administered by the state and county.
But I THINK that the treaty states that the park is in fact Ramapough reservation.
I'd like someone who really knows to answer.
I DO know that the tribe has been gathering there, and riding ATVs, for decades.
"While their criminal behavior was not justified,"
Again, be careful, their behaviour may very well have not been criminal.
I think that the Ramapough are recognized as a Lenape tribe. Not sure. But if they are, they date way back.
Correct, let me rephrase that:
"While any alleged criminal behavior would not be justified..."
Clearly the area was a major Indian settlement, no doubt. 'Mahwah' is Lenape for meeting place. I am saying these people are not necc. desendants of Indian tribes just because they are there. Any more than I am because I lived there. (Actually I'm from the Dutch settles side...)
"Why not shoot in the air once to stop him?"
Maybe because LEO are trained to discharge their weapons ONLY when using DEADLY force is neccessary.
They also don't trick shot the guns out of criminal's hands or "kneecap" them so they don't run away.
He 's been watching too much TV.
I was on the freeway the other day and was directed off by a patrolman. It was a detour due to construction. I did not challange the patrolman, even though I had full legal rights to drive there. I guess I could have challanged him, forced escalation to the point he had to shoot me. I chose not to. That is why we have courts, and an Indian should feel REAL GOOD going to court against a white eyed devil.
Ditto, cops are given a pass everyday for their actions, for which you and I would be looking at filtered sunlight for a lesser crime. When it comes to government at all levels, my mindset is hardening into a them and us context.
The area, which really is not large, used to be owned by the catholic church. What wasn't, was and is own by 'the tribe'.
When I was a kid a little know secret was you could get access to fish on the church's property, but had to go see the monsenior for a pass. Once on the grounds, usually the only people you saw was from the 'tribe'. Scarey in looks. Scarey because they packed weapons.
The church sold off a lot of land to the state, used to create the Ramapo Reservation (Park). Other acres were used to expand Ramapo college.
Don't confuse 'reservation' with indian reservation. Bottom line: Once church owned, now state owned. What's not, was and is private land owned by individuals of the 'tribe'.
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