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The Hobbit Hole XXIX - Until the stars are all alight...
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Posted on 04/20/2006 2:10:46 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The Hobbit Hole!

Until the stars are all alight

New verse:

Upon the hearth the fire is red,
Beneath the roof there is a bed;
But not yet weary are our feet,
Still round the corner we may meet
A sudden tree or standing stone
That none have seen but we alone.
Tree and flower and leaf and grass,
Let them pass! Let them pass!
Hill and water under sky,
Pass them by! Pass them by!

Still round the corner there may wait
A new road or a secret gate,
And though we pass them by today,
Tomorrow we may come this way
And take the hidden paths that run
Towards the Moon or to the Sun.
Apple, thorn, and nut and sloe,
Let them go! Let them go!
Sand and stone and pool and dell,
Fare you well! Fare you well!

Home is behind, the world ahead,
And there are many paths to tread
Through shadows to the edge of night,
Until the stars are all alight.
Then world behind and home ahead,
We’ll wander back to home and bed.
Mist and twilight, cloud and shade,
Away shall fade! Away shall fade!
Fire and lamp, and meat and bread,
And then to bed! And then to bed!

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To: Corin Stormhands

A large bore rifle bullet (a sniper would use a .308, 30-06 or similar) to the back wouldn't interfere with an open casket funeral. The bullet, lets say it went in between ribs... would hydrostatically kill the target just with the impact shock. The instant pressure surge would likely explode a heart ventricle, or maybe a major artery, crush the lungs... and exit out the front through a bigger hole than in the back.

Hitting the spine would of course cut the spinal cord, and that or hitting a rib would possibly fragment the bullet into a couple of pieces, that might or might not even exit out the other side.


6,421 posted on 06/15/2006 7:26:32 PM PDT by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1400 knives and counting!)
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To: Ramius

I like it not to exit out the other side.

Thanks.


6,422 posted on 06/15/2006 7:28:20 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Ramius
The bullet, lets say it went in between ribs... would hydrostatically kill the target just with the impact shock.

That just sounds way cool. I think someone in my next story needs shooting....

6,423 posted on 06/15/2006 7:29:38 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Corin Stormhands

I like when bullets don't enter the first side, let alone exit the other. Only that does make for a better novel.

Tomorrow is Friday. That's a good thing. I get paid. That's better. I should be able to make downpayments on all the weddin' professionals, assuming I find a caterer soon.


6,424 posted on 06/15/2006 7:30:29 PM PDT by JenB
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To: RosieCotton

Hydrostatic shock is an interesting thing. Water, as we know, is incompressible. The body is made up mostly of water. The shock delivered to the water is instantly transferred to whatever inside the body there is that *does* compress... like organs. The compression is so fast and so violent that things tend to rip up and break and shred and ... well... you get the picture. :-)


6,425 posted on 06/15/2006 7:42:04 PM PDT by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1400 knives and counting!)
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To: Corin Stormhands; JenB; RosieCotton
I had a heck of time trying to find out what would happen if my character had broken ribs and a punctured lung ... WebMD was very useful for that one ...

Since i'm forever writing about guns, knives, and the people who love them, here's what I found:

Body Trauma: A Writer's Guide To Wounds And Injuries

Cause of Death: A Writer's Guide to Death, Murder and Forensic Medicine

The Crime Writer’s Reference Guide

And I have HowStuffWorks on my favorites bar, right alongside A Handbook Of Texas.

6,426 posted on 06/15/2006 7:42:31 PM PDT by Rose in RoseBear (HHD [...."My name is Rose, and I say research makes fiction real ...!" ])
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To: JenB
Don't delete it!!!
6,427 posted on 06/15/2006 7:43:55 PM PDT by Rose in RoseBear (HHD [...."My name is Rose, and I say even bad books deserve to live ...!" ])
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To: Rose in RoseBear

*snicker*

I can just imagine if I took those with me to a nice coffee house or something, for light reading...


6,428 posted on 06/15/2006 7:46:07 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Rose in RoseBear; JenB

Speaking of bad books, I really wish I could remember how I planned to end mine. I have all kinds of leading points that I know I planned to do *something* with, but now I don't recall what. I guess I gotta start over...but I know I had some really good ideas.

It stinks having such a lousy memory. It's fun when re-reading books I've read many times before, but not so good when re-writing my own.


6,429 posted on 06/15/2006 7:47:47 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Corin Stormhands
I don't want a lot of detail. Just where the bullet has to enter and lodge to be (pretty much) instantly fatal.

Bullets hit bone, breaks into pieces, and the pieces start to tumble around in the body. It's the tumbling bits that usually kill, as they destroy so much vital tissue. http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/scientific_topics/wound_ballistics/How_a_high-speed.html

6,430 posted on 06/15/2006 7:56:34 PM PDT by Rose in RoseBear (HHD [...."My name is Rose, and I like talking about this stuff ...!" ])
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To: SuziQ

I love our homeschool group. We only meet two times a month. The leadership seems all business (but then, I'm not in leadership). I don't get involved in the chatty parts of it so I may be blind to a lot...which is probably best. That is also one of the reasons I teach Sunday School instead of going to a class myself...G'nad too. The good part is we don't get swept up into all the crap...the bad part is we aren't in the loop for prayer, cookouts, and the like. I do have some friends that try to keep me posted, but we aren't in the "in group". :-) I haven't had many really close friends. Three that I can think of and being in the military, they or we moved away.

Mrsnad


6,431 posted on 06/15/2006 7:58:10 PM PDT by g'nad (just call me blindtocrap)
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To: Overtaxed; Lil'freeper; g'nad; Ramius; ecurbh; HairOfTheDog; Corin Stormhands; osagebowman; ...
ecurbh forwarded this email to me yesterday...

My name is Chief Warrant Officer 2 Bryan S I am the Explosive Ordnance Disposal officer for my unit. One of the Marines here in Iraq with me has received several of your knives and has distributed them out to my EOD technicians and our accompanying Security Marines and Corpsmen for our daily use on IED calls outside the wire.

I can not begin to express my gratitude to all of you enough. Your kindness and generosity is only overshadowed by the appreciation of my Marines to receive more weapons to take into the fight. Nothing says “I love you” to a Marine more than the gift of a fighting knife or tool. It’s tangible and it means a hell of a lot. Thanks.

One of the items, a Lagana tomahawk, has been used by my two team leaders and me several times for conducting quick digs on suspect items while we were working. We pass it off daily depending on which team has duty for the day. It has come in really handy more than once. I seldom leave my vehicle without it’s lanyard around my wrist. I can not go into the details of how we conduct our work, but trust me; it’s a good piece of gear.

We also received a couple of Camillus BKT Tactool knives that reminded me so much of the old WWII Corpsman’s bolos that I immediately ordered them issued to our Corpsmen. I also ordered that my Corpsmen be given the two Camillus Rescue Heat knives that we received as well. Our Corpsmen are among the folks who get to a vehicle full of Marines in distress the quickest. I think these knives will serve all of the Marines in our teams’ best when “Doc” shows up to help pry off a vehicle door or cut them out of a seat belt harness.

I am attaching a photo of my EOD team. Please know that your efforts are appreciated daily and that we will put your efforts to good use.

God Bless and Semper Fi.

eod.jpg

6,432 posted on 06/15/2006 8:19:58 PM PDT by 300winmag (Overkill never fails)
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To: 300winmag

Wow. I'm amazed and humbled once again.

PayPal will be coming soon, Rick. Once the move is behind me, I'll budget accordingly.


6,433 posted on 06/15/2006 8:24:13 PM PDT by RMDupree (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: 300winmag

[snif] gotta love these guys.

EOD guys just aren't wired like everybody else. Normal people run away from explosives.


6,434 posted on 06/15/2006 8:26:14 PM PDT by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1400 knives and counting!)
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To: 300winmag

Winmag, you're the guy who knows what to send. Thank you :~)


6,435 posted on 06/15/2006 8:38:08 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Rose in RoseBear; JenB; RosieCotton

See, I just knew Rose would know how to kill someone.

Thanks!


6,436 posted on 06/15/2006 8:40:41 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: 300winmag

God bless them all.

And you too Rick, for all you do.


6,437 posted on 06/15/2006 8:42:30 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: 300winmag

Good lookin' bunch of guys! And great testimony to what you do - thanks, as always, for posting!


6,438 posted on 06/15/2006 8:51:04 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Corin Stormhands
need to describe a fatal bullet wound

oh I could go on all night...

unless it's a relatively small caliber rifle (5.56, .22) the bullet would likely pass thru the body... any bullet would be found outside the body...

a hollow point or soft point would leave small fragments of copper jacket and lead in the body...

if we're talking large caliber (.308, .30-06, 7MM) a hit in the upper chest/back, within 4" of center would be an instant kill in most cases... you've got the renal artery going down, aorta/caratoid going up... a hit on either of those would near instantaneous death... a lung hit would cause death within seconds, minutes at the most... traumatic spine hit would kill instantly, and even though it hits bone, a bullet over 120 gr would still almost always exit the body...

6,439 posted on 06/16/2006 1:28:53 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: 300winmag

God bless 'em...

Semper Fi...


6,440 posted on 06/16/2006 1:29:39 AM PDT by g'nad
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