GG
I didn't say that all the details of this case & the list of attendees should be released to the public. I meant share all with the DA and attorneys. The captains provided an incomplete list when asked. And I agree a lot more info has been released that should be contained to the courts. Isn't it odd that someone runs outside and takes a photo of this dancer trying to get back in for her shoe? She has her purse with her that she is searching through, in the photo...Why not just throw her shoe out to her and be done with it? This case is by far one of the biggest in the media. And so you know--Yes, I knew about the saliva DNA and who provided it. To clarify---if I was asked to give DNA, I would have provided saliva, sperm, nails, all types of hair and they could have scratched my skin and put it on a slide. I have been following this case daily since it hit the media.
As for the date rape drug self-administered....let me share some info on the date-rape drug..And unlike some people, I am clearly not professing myself to be an expert on any topic related to this case...But if you are entertaining the idea of a date rape drug, it's not a matter of proving if one of the arrested gave it to her--if it's found in her system , why was it in her? I don't believe anyone is going to say the drug was given after she left. Both the players and Kim said she was sluggish when she left. She was incoherent, and couldn't tell Kim where she lived. Why? How intoxicated would you have to be before you cant provide your address? ANd no I am not asking for a response... And as for her arriving impaired--even the photos do not support that. The neighbor, and Kim said she was not sluggish from the beginning. Note: 20-25 minutes after injestion is when the drug kicks in.
You have no idea what actually has been released because as you agreed, we aren't, nor should we be privvy to every piece of information in the case.
As for the captains providing an incomplete list, if I had a party with 41 people in my house, I might miss one or two. Are you saying the names of the alleged rapists were purposely left off the list? If the hosts can't give a complete list, the authorities can certainly question the known party attendees to fill in the blanks. Hopefully, they have done this if they are doing their jobs.
As for your advocating "different kinds" of DNA, DNA is DNA. They don't match sperm cells or skin cells to make a match, they extract DNA from the sample and compare it with DNA from the donor. All anyone has to do is give saliva, which occurred. You're barking up the wrong tree, sorry.
As a former prosecutor who worked child abuse and sex crimes, I am eminently familiar with the process. The facts of each case are different but the process generally remains the same. You have your rape kit which swabs the genitals, scrapes nails, and mouth in the event of oral rape, as is alleged here. You have the physical exam, in which, apparently some swelling and evidence of sexual activity was found. She claims she was sodomized--that definitely leaves obvious signs. We'll see if the physical findings bear that out. Consensual sodomy should leave physical results quite different from forcible sodomy. Vaginal intercourse isn't quite as obvious, but a brutal rape such as is described leaves somewhat different physical findings that that of even consensual "rough sex". But, tearing and abrasions can occur from consensual sex as well. (Don't misunderstand, I'm distinguishing consensual from rape signs to signal what physical findings support a conclusion of rape, I'm not saying that consensual sex occurred at this party.)
Even if the perpetrators wore condoms, lubricants would be found. Crime labs can identify the name brand of a condom from the residue. A match to a condom wrapper found at the scene, perhaps a fingerprint, voila! A good sound case.
Even if the perpetrators did not ejaculate, she should have had DNA under the fingernails which matched, if she fought so hard as to lose several artificial nails, as is alleged. Fingernail scrapings, DNA match--voila! A good sound case.
Even if the perpetrator wore long sleeved shirts, hair or skin, perhaps blood from the fight may be found on the victim. DNA match of any aspect to the perpetrator--voila! A good, sound case.
Three perpetrators were allegedly present in the bathroom with the victim. If the crime scene technicians did their job properly, there must have been some evidence of the perpetrators in the bathroom. Hair, skin cells, saliva, blood, sweat, tears. Even fingerprints, although they would not be conclusive, as it was a party with presumably many people coming through. Definite conclusions with regard to the absence of the suspect's fingerprints at the scene may be drawn. I doubt they wore gloves.
Yes, it is true there were rape convictions prior to DNA but these days, if the DNA doesn't fit, you pretty much must acquit. Especially since the witness has serious credibility problems, one or both of the alleged perps wasn't at the party at all or not there long enough to perpetrate a 30 minute rape, and the timeline as evidenced by photographs simply doesn't fit.
Finally, not only is the prosecution going to have to present the physical facts, DNA if any and witness testimony including identification, the timeline as to what transpired prior to her arrival at the party is important. She could have engaged in sexual activity or even been raped by a client prior to her arrival at the party but decided to blame it on these rich white college boys. A good defense investigation will create a timeline that goes beyond the party itself. A good prosecutor will also do so, as not to be surprised at trial!!
I am initmately familiar with Rohypnol. Although the effects are similar to alcohol, it takes much less time to take effect, although it does take at least 15-20 minutes to begin taking effect. Popping a Roofie to disinhibit oneself when dancing is not at all unheard of. Most "exotic dancers" take drugs or drink while working. And if she did, she could function quite well for at least 15 minutes so this is not at all incompatable with the witness statements and/or photos.
But hey, you believe the stripper, I don't. It's a great country! I think there's one thing we can agree on, and that is that it is an interesting case and will make for a fascinating trial. It just appears highly political, to me!
Take care...GG