Case Aganst Duke Student Unraveling Fast

ABC GMA | Chris Cummo

[MindBender26]

Breaking overnight from Chris Cummo at ABC GMA:

Case against at least one Duke defemdant unraveling fast.

Defendant Seiligman went to bank ATM while rape supposedly happening.

12:02 Time stamped photos show girl arriving. Girl leaves, comes back, call friends on cell phone does other things. 12:19 Seiligman calls cab dispatcher 12:24 Seiligman takes cab to bank miles away, uses ATM card (photos show it is him.) 12:42 after walking back to dorm, Seiligman uses security card to enter dorm. Does not leave.

Also, Seiligman was never interviewed by cops. DA seeking reelection simply took "Dancers" word that he raped her.

[goresalooza]

"This also makes me wonder about the people on the grand jury."

Good point. I think people in general can be swayed by a shifty lying prosecutor, though. And we don't know who served on that particular grand jury, or if they had an axe to grind or whatever.

[Mamzelle]

Thanks. 770 posts was a little intimidating.

[Peach]

So aside from losing the season of lacrosse at Duke, being suspended, forcing his parents to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars, this kid has a girlfriend who probably isn't thrilled that he saw even 5 minutes of a stripper. Anymore damage the DA can do?

[Carolinamom]

18 Escort Services in Durham? There must be a lot of lonely people (w/cash) to support those businesses! And there must be a lot of girls in Crystal's "profession". Could they all be enrolled at NCCU? Inquiring minds....

[LK44-40]

There are 18 Escort Service listings in the yellow pages just for Durham.

Well that is a withering rebuke to the cable mouth that I heard this morning, speaking skeptically of the lax house suddenly emptying and asking sarcastically, what could these boys possibly find to do after midnight in ~Durham~ ~North Carolina~.

[LWalk18]

Didn't they list her high school in the newspaper? Hillside or Hillenside or something? It seems to me that you could look up a yearbook and find her picture, albeit an old one. She's nearly 28, so she must have graduated 10 years ago, so does anyone have a 1996 yearbook from that school?

[Mad-Margaret]

>>>"It's not easy to get a cab in Durham at all. It's, shall we say, not like New York where they are constantly cruising the streets looking for fares."

Perhaps that's the reason Ms. Mangum felt the need to steal one.<<<

Thank you so much! That's the first laugh I've had all day.

(I am just livid.)

[Locomotive Breath]

Well he did leave when his buds on the lax team took a wrong turn into a danger zone. That's got to count for something.

[Steve_Seattle]

" . . . or why they sent black strippers when the players specifically ask for white ones."

That's one fact I haven't heard before. It kind of undermines the rich white guys/poor black girl angle, i.e., that the players were deliberately acting out the humiliation and exploitation of a black woman.

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[Carling]

I forgot one more "white" guy...

Grant Hill. :)

I know all about Duke hoops. I was a CBB fanatic until the best players stopped going to college. For every Jay Bilas there is a Johnny Dawkins. For every Mike Dunleavy there is a Jason (Jay) Williams. For every Christian Laettner there is a Brian Davis. For every JJ Reddick there is a Sheldon Williams. I was mainly talking about the image the team's b-ball team gave off to the public. I could never stand the arrogance they seemed to project.

Of course, their success didn't help my view of them either. ;)

[Howlin]

:-)

It's just better to ask somebody!

[mystery-ak]

I hope the DA has asked the questions, but I'm sure the defense team will...

[Locomotive Breath]

Hillside H.S. in Durham. The thought crossed my mind when I read that.

[Howlin]

I don't know why you'd have to call a middleman, but that is surely what was either reported or rumored early on.

[Peach]

True. But young girls aren't so understanding. She's probably ditched him.

[BossLady]

Well that is certainly an angle to keep an eye on.....

[Locomotive Breath]

If you win that much everyone hates you. The NY Yankees are a prime example.

[LWalk18]

That's one fact I haven't heard before. It kind of undermines the rich white guys/poor black girl angle, i.e., that the players were deliberately acting out the humiliation and exploitation of a black woman.

Someone posted an article from the early days of this case where the defense said that, I can't remember which thread or which article, unfortunately.

[Peach]

Did you see Napolitano on FNC about 20 minutes ago say that the stripper did have DNA on her, just not the player's DNA.