Posted on 04/19/2006 4:37:00 AM PDT by MindBender26
Breaking overnight from Chris Cummo at ABC GMA:
Case against at least one Duke defemdant unraveling fast.
Defendant Seiligman went to bank ATM while rape supposedly happening.
12:02 Time stamped photos show girl arriving. Girl leaves, comes back, call friends on cell phone does other things. 12:19 Seiligman calls cab dispatcher 12:24 Seiligman takes cab to bank miles away, uses ATM card (photos show it is him.) 12:42 after walking back to dorm, Seiligman uses security card to enter dorm. Does not leave.
Also, Seiligman was never interviewed by cops. DA seeking reelection simply took "Dancers" word that he raped her.
Given the timeline, are you saying this man deserves the nickname rabbit or Houdini?
Nobody is getting convicted of anything on the basis of what this drunken lying pig says. There's absolutely no case whatsoever.
I think there can be culpable intention to exploit on both sides. I think "charity" (in the sense of appreciating one another as God appreciates us) is difficult if not impossible. However there are some clear guideposts. Paying money to someone so's you can watch them pretend to be sexually aroused while not having a whole bunch of clothes on seems to be to be pretty clearly "using" somebody in a way that's bad for everyone involved. While I may not be capable of real charity, I can sure avoid the grosser violations of it.
I dunnno. I'm working on a notion about how mere law and respect for it won't establish a viable society. Just toying with it, I guess.
Calls to his girlfriend no less. Guess thats who I'd call if I was raping a skank dancer.
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Don't be so sure, Jackson DEMANDS it and the media all but kisses his fraud , fat ass.The blacks want these kids asses and they will get it .There will be riots if these kids are found innocent. Facts be damned.
ATM withdrawal...$50
Late night fast-food...$10
Having an alibi...priceless
Oh, but all you white boys look alike.../sarc""
Nasty brat that I am, that was my first thought...:)
He's already ruined the kid's life. Even a rape accusation will bar you from a lot of clearances in the financial and government worlds.
Gee, how do you even gather up your motivation to rape someone in less than 20 minutes. What did they do, grab her the second she walked through the door and decide to brutally rape her. Right.
Horsewhip and tar and feather the SOB district attorney. ""
Could we please add the "reverend" Jesse to that list?
These kids have been damaged for their whole careers. There will always be snickers around them. Wish I were younger and ran a company. Would hire them on the spot.
Will they be suspended from the current semester? IF so, can they sue the DA and the school for their costs of repeating their classes???
Can a D.A. have a civil lawsuit filed against him for defamation of character, misconduct, false imprisonment, etc.?
The more I think about it, the more Nifong's actions have actually made sense since he stopped showboating for the media.
Think about this. He has a woman who showed physical signs of sexual activity alleging rape. The black community is enraged and demands justice. Nifong, however, obviously rushed to judgment initially, but he has now stopped talking about the case. In the meantime, the alleged victim still stands by her claim, so Nifong is forced into action.
This is where it gets good. Crystal (alleged victim) ID's two suspects at a "100%" level. Nifong takes this and the medical report to the grand jury. The grand jury has no choice but to indict in this instance. Now the onus is on Nifong to try the case, and if Crystal was incorrect on her "100%" ID, and if the defense has proof of them not being there at the time of the "crime", this case unravels and Nifong either has to drop it or get Crystal to change her story (AGAIN).
The end result is this. If the defense has the alibi they say they have, Crystal will be the one vilified, not Nifong. This is why presenting the "evidence" to the grand jury was actually a decent idea by Nifong.
Of course they are trying it in the media. They want this wiped out fast before it harms their clients reputation more than it already has. If they wait until trial to begin presnting their case, their client will already have become a public figure and will have completely lost his privacy and his entire history will have been drug under the magnifying glass.
I was critiquing the time-line defense. The no DNA defense is a separate argument. They are not cumulative but exclusive, in that one is not dependent. For example, if the DNA test was positive, the time line defensive could still prove his innocence and the DNA was from casual transfer.
Separate arguments about the no-DNA defense include 1) we don't have the full report, 2) the hair evidence has not been done yet, 3) she could have been raped with a foreign object.
If you are going to weigh evidence, you have to apply logic to each one and see if they hold up under scrutiny. You cannot just lump a bunch of arguments together that individually can be explained away and thereby make a case better.
One thing really bothers me about this case, though. Those two kids have their names plastered all over the world with "rapist" attached to it. And the one kid, based on a lot of reports, seems to have a very good alibi. If that's the case, then this poor kid has been smeared and his name will never be entirely cleared. No matter the result at trial, some people are going to believe he did it anyway. And in the meantime, the accuser's name is protected. There's something wrong about that when the legal presumption is that the accused rapist is innocent until proven otherwise.
What state are you in?
This really jumps out to me as odd-looking although, obviously, it is possible.
(I have no theory that the photos were manipulated by the defense. This could be journalistic error or carelessness in the presentation.)
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