Posted on 04/08/2006 11:21:12 AM PDT by OakOak
In other developments, a defense attorney for one of players says he knows who made the 911 call the night of the alleged gang rape.
"We're absolutely positive the caller was not the accuser, but the other young lady there," Cheshire said.
Cheshire said witnesses have talked to the woman and a comparison of audio tapes proves the caller was the second dancer at the party, but Durham police say they do not know who called.
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The N&O people are liberal-looney. I mean much worse than the regular media. These people should be in China.
Look at this article, this N&O says that when looks at a young, white male around town she thinks for a moment, Is he a
Rapist? And then she goes to say that basicly this woman was forced into stripping - for money.
http://www.newsobserver.com/978/story/424079.html
Probably WPTF 680. They're usually on top of it.
Always include original title. Put additions in()s.
Thank you !
Fully believing in their innocence, I've already fully prepared the team's legal Defense:
"If you don't believe the Ho, you must let them Go"
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classic
I don't know how long it will be before I can look at a young, white male strolling around Durham and not think for a moment, "Could he be a rapist?"
And in my 14 years as a professor, every time a woman student walked through my door, I found myself thinking, "Is this the woman who's going to end my career with a false accusation?" In fact, not too long after I joined that faculty, I instituted a no-closed-door meetings policy.
The defense says there are photos which show the accuser arrived at the party with injuries and showing signs of significant impairment.
Why weren't these photos produced weeks ago, before the season was canceled and the coach was forced to resign?
You want why they weren't produced?
Because there were people at the party that weren't on the lacrosse team. These people didn't want Nifong ruining their lives and making them spend $$ on defending themselves.
One of these people that attended but wasn't on the team took the pictures and has the pictures. The Defense attorneys hold that stuff, they won't give it out now. They Lawyers with good reputations, they're not going to lie and say they have something they don't.
Now, the prosecution may come up with a theory that minimizes the photos (or explains them away). Nifong did too much talking to the press. He went out and said the he was certain Neither Dance made Either call. Turns out they made both calls. So, Nifong just shot himself in the foot and he telegraphed that his own witnesses were lying to him!
How's that for credibility?
It would not be surprising to learn that the author is connected to the local ANSWER chapter.
We’ve seen communist agitprop in North Carolina since the days of the Loray Mills incident in Gastonia in the late 1920s, when communists from New York seeking to take advantage of a local labor dispute came down and shot and killed the popular Gastonia police chief.
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Any Way You Look at It, Woman's Situation Was Tragic
ELIZABETH A. WEISS, Correspondent
When I heard about the rape accusations against members of the Duke University men's lacrosse team last weekend, something changed for me.
As a young woman living in Durham, I felt personally affected by the accusations alone. I don't know if all women feel as though something tears within them when they learn of that kind of assault -- an assault on something sacred. But that is what it felt like for me.
Why is this case “sacred” but not the dozens of other rape cases around the state in recent years?
I don't know how long it will be before I can look at a young, white male strolling around Durham and not think for a moment, "Could he be a rapist?"
Statistically, young black males by far commit the most crime in Durham. Does Elizabeth Weiss look at every young, black male and think to herself, “Could he be a criminal?”
This is close to me. I am not black, and I am not an exotic dancer, and I am not yet a mother, but that is where the differences end, and I don't think those are important differences to begin with. The woman who came forward was a student, in her twenties, lived in Durham, worked for a living, and cared about how her father would take what happened to her.
But even our similarities are superficial, just as superficial as the fact that she was at the party that night to dance -- a fact that seems to be of great importance for those looking for a reason to discredit her.
For Elizabeth Weiss, the Duke students should be discredited solely because they are considered to be “privileged rich white males”. However, this woman, who has worked for years as a stripper and an “escort” (almost certainly meaning prostitute), has drug convictions, stole a car and led police on a high speed chase in which she endangered lives and attempted to run over a police officer, should not have her credibility questioned.
The moment I heard the circumstances, that she was there as an exotic dancer, I became even more empathetic, not because rape is any more or less tragic depending on one's profession, but because she was put in that situation out of necessity, as a worker. It is a risky profession, I know, but so is working construction.
There is no reason at all to believe this woman was “forced” to become a stripper and a prostitute. I worked as a janitor in a commercial building, as a clerk in an all-night convenience store and as a waiter, among other jobs, to help pay for my own college education. Or is the real issue that these types of jobs are “beneath” her?
Honor and virtue are more determined by how you treat other people than how you support your family. I imagine that profession allowed her to provide for her two children and attend N.C. Central, and I realize that not everyone starts out in life on the same playing field; I do not judge her for working for an escort service.
Here is the tired old Marxist ploy of trying to undermine “bourgeois morality” by claiming that being a stripper/prostitute is as honorable and virtuous a profession as being, say, a fireman, a bank teller, or what have you.
I felt connected to her because I somehow understood, based on pure instinct and imagination, how hard it must have been to talk to the Durham police that night.
It’s harder to tell lies than the truth, because you have to remember all of your lies in order to try to keep them straight. It is mind-boggling to find that someone forms her opinion on a serious criminal matter on the basis of “pure instinct and imagination” rather than logically analyzing the reported facts.
It is odd how strongly I winced internally when I heard the details, having never experienced anything like that. Yet somehow I felt pain and sadness -- and anger. I don't know when I'll stop thinking about what that must have been like every time I drive past the Kroger on Hillsborough Road where she felt safe enough to stop.
There are many murders in Durham every year, the vast majority in the black community. Does she feel the “pain and sadness” of these victims whenever she is near their locations? I’ll bet she never loses sleep over any of them.
I understand that no charges have been filed. The DNA tests will come out next week, and as of now, the Duke men's lacrosse team is only issuing statements proclaiming their "unequivocal denial" of her allegations. It would be nice to learn that a young woman was not tortured in a pretty house in a lovely neighborhood by a group of smart young men.
But as a woman, I cannot imagine making those accusations unless they were true. More than half of the sexual assaults in this country go unreported still, according to the National Crime Victimization Survey. And some of the details resonate too strongly for them to be conjured.
The stupidity of this paragraph is breathtaking. The charges must be true, because Elizabeth Weiss is a woman and cannot imagine that they are false? And the more lurid a story is, the more it must be true, because the more “resonance” Elizabeth Weiss feels?
Many of the details of this situation are incredibly charged. Race, class, gender, all of those hot issues swirl together in this story and are possibly clouding the judgment of some.
So I ask you to consider the situation, but with a few minor details reversed. What if it was a white exotic dancer making these allegations against a men's sports team at NCCU? Or a Duke student? Or what if it was someone who wasn't a dancer at all reporting the assault? It should not make a difference, and yet it does for many.
I hope I will never be in the same situation she was, walking into a house, to perform for a group of men. And yet I can't stop thinking, what if that were me? What did that feel like? How will she feel safe again?
I very much doubt there are many men with decent eyesight who are interested in having Elizabeth Weiss perform for them. Oops, I was just caught being “lookist.”
Thanks. I agree. I spoke with a reporter from a another paper and read a couple lines from the story, particularly where she says when she sees a young, white male she thinks, "Is he a rapist?"
He told me he doesn't know of any editor of a reputable paper that would allow that to be printed. He was flabbergasted.
Anton gave me a good idea,, Thanks Anton.
Anyway, we had heard that the 2nd dancer had gone underground.
I just spoke with someone and they told me the DA's investigator paid her a visit when they found out she lied to them for the THIRD time and threatened her with being charged if she wasn't truthful with them. They told her they were going to interview her again and that they needed to get everything straight. She's been missing since.
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Someone better alert FoxNews! They reported on the air that some of the lacrosse players had skipped the country -surely they will be just as keen to report that a material witness/participant stripper has gone into hiding. Ummm, right? I mean, won't they?
Elizabeth A. Weiss
this has got to be her mother
http://www.biosci.utexas.edu/mgm/People/Faculty/profiles/weiss.htm
Ironically, "Weiss" is german for "White"
She looks like a ball of fun!
Look where she graduated from - Duke University and Columbia..
Think some serious self-loathing is going on here?
So, her Daughter was raised as priviledged and all the people in her circles were rich. So, Elizabeth grows up thinking all white people are rich and she feels guilty when she drives thru bad neighborhoods in her Beamer. She becomes a liberal because it makes her feel better to call other people racists and homophobes. Nothing better than feeling superior.
It's just a theory, but I've seen it before.
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Here's an article mainly describing the defense contentions. An attorney representing a team member had an extended interview with "Kim," the second "dancer," who claims the accuser never told her about a rape.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2403062
Kim is said to have now gone "underground." Since no charges have been filed, I wonder if she is free to flee if she chooses?
oh geez... what a cluster this has turned into... unfortunately it's going to have a negative effect on the upcoming DA race.
JWinNC
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