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Dog Breeder Licencing in Florida
vanity | 3/19/06 | me

Posted on 03/20/2006 1:01:21 PM PST by doc30

Normally, I don't post requests for help on issues, but there are a fair number of more knowlegeable animal lover Freepers than I. They may be interested and/or could offer some insight into 2 bills pending in FL.

Here are the Senate Summaries of these 2 bills coming before the Senate Agriculture Committee in FL and are to be voted on the 21st. Has anyone heard of these bills and does anyone have any idea what their impact will be?

Some have said that this will cripple the dog/cat breeders in FL and will include private, non-profit animal rescue groups as "pet dealers" and make them subject to licensing requirements. Such volunteer organizations are in no place to administer government regulations and they perform an important community function. It will also shut down home/hobby breeders. For those interested, here is a list of the committee members.

Bullard 850-487-5127
Argenziano 850-487-5017
Bennett 850-487-5078
Haridopolos 850-487-5056
Peaden 850-487-5000
Smith 850-487-5020


TOPICS: Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: breeder; cat; dog; doggieping; florida; lisencing
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To: Calpernia

No - thanks... I'm about maxed out on this issue for the evening.


161 posted on 03/20/2006 6:33:09 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Hobbit Hole knives for soldiers! www.freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: brytlea

All I can add is God bless hobby breeders! One earlier poster said something regarding "beautiful idiots" in the show ring.

We have had five schnauzers over the years; four came from hobby breeders, and one from a BYB. The four from the hobby breeder looked like a perfect example of the breed and also had the temperament of a schnauzer. The one who came from the BYB had many health issues, physically didn't have the look of a the breed, and also didn't have that robust personality one would expect. So for the hobby breeder it's more than breeding for looks but for a solid dog both mentally and physically.

Just my two cents anyway


162 posted on 03/20/2006 6:41:12 PM PST by NicNacPattyWac
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To: Calpernia

For your consideration:


It is absurd for Congress to decide that it can design a "one-size fits all" piece of legislation, which will have any measurable effect upon the humane treatment of animals. If there is one fact that stands out in the record of recent legislation it is that adding new laws and new layers of enforcement has very little effect upon the goals of that legislation, no matter how humane and worthy those goals may be.

Redundant legislation written from Washington, D.C. results in great expense to the taxpayers and a loss of resources to local agencies already struggling to provide essential services to their constituencies. Further, for Congress to involve the bulk and ineptness of the federal government and its agencies in local affairs will result once more in the frequent misapplication and misdirection of the law and general chaos. There are more than adequate laws on the books of local governments in this Republic to satisfy all the goals of this legislation.

What Congress needs to do is to provide better financial support to and less misdirected interference with local governments in their efforts to enforce the humane and rational treatment of animals. When the federal government extends its sticky fingers into those affairs, which are best handled at the local and state level, the result is inefficiency, uneven and unfair enforcement, and horrendous misuse of tax funds.

There is nothing wrong with the goals of this bill. All animal lovers hope for the humane treatment of every creature. The scandal of this bill is that it will do nothing to bring about better treatment of animals on the part of those who engage in acts of cruelty, neglect and abuse. It will hamper the efforts of rescue groups, restrict the operations of caring and legitimate hobby breeders, and bungle the efforts of local authorities to enforce the perfectly adequate local laws and restrictions.

It is apparent to taxpayers everywhere that this Congress is grossly profligate with the funds which we have entrusted you to spend wisely; that this Congress would rather muddle and interfere with local agencies and local statutes than provide them with any meaningful support; and that this Congress would rather distract the public from issues critical to the survival of the Republic by playing up emotional themes which are not in the remotest relevant to the survival of the Republic. There are huge problems begging for solutions at the federal level. However, one easily concludes that the Senate of the United States would rather drag red herrings across the field of its legislative agenda in order to distract the voters from the Senate's piddling efforts in these major areas of concern. The Congress has items that are more important on its agenda than the PAWS bill.

Why are you wasting your energy and our taxes and patience with this ill conceived and redundant piece of legislative trivia?

If you want to advance the cause of the humane treatment of our animals, start supporting the states and local government is their efforts to enforce local codes, regulations, and laws. And, for all our sakes, begin to deal in a courageous and forthright manner with the issues critical to our national security.

When you return home to tell your constituents how you have done them great service and benefit, will you besaying how you have enacted a wonderful law that will tell Mrs. Brown how many kittens she is allowed to raise? Or, will you be able to tell your constituents that you have enacted legislation which will improve immigration policy, strengthen the economy, improve our standing in international relations, bring equity to the tax structure, improve the capacity of state and local governments to function, ease the hardship of the elderly
and impoverished, improve the delivery of medical services, rebuild the decaying infrastructure of the nation, and attend to the delivery and distribution of energy? You will face the most critical question of all. How significantly have you improved the security of the Nation?

When you can answer all these questions to the satisfaction of your constituents, then perhaps you can look into trying to improve the breeding and rearing practices of Mrs. Brown who has been lovingly, intelligently and most humanely breeding cats these many years without any interference from Washington D.C.

Ann Billington
Sheltie Owner & Active Voter
Lewiston, Idaho
August 20, 2005


163 posted on 03/20/2006 6:52:36 PM PST by Darnright (Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic.)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Well--I respect your opinion, I just disagree. I hope you have a good evening, and thanks for the ping that started this discussion!


164 posted on 03/20/2006 7:06:58 PM PST by sissyjane (Don't be stuck on stupid!)
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To: Darnright
Good post. But I would change one thing. We all agree in the humane treatment of animals. BUT, there is a lot wrong with this bill. This will put breeders out of business and reflame the markets for importing strays.
165 posted on 03/20/2006 7:11:10 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: NicNacPattyWac

Thanks for telling us about your dogs. One point I'd like to mention. At least, hobby, or more specifically, show breeders have a goal in mind when they breed male A to female B. Backyard, or puppymill breeders simply take 2 dogs of supposedly the same breed (registration is no guarantee that the dogs are the same breed) and breed to get the most puppies the female is capable of carrying. Backyard and commercial breeders purposely breed Toy dogs, which unsuspecting buyers purchase for their diminutive size, from females who are way too large to be within the AKC standards.

Show breeders, being competitive, sometimes get carried away, and they might sacrifice terrier character, for instance, for a noble head carriage. However, breeders of field trial dogs and sport (schutzhund) dogs emphasize hyper-activity that makes their animals impossible to live with, at least to the average pet owner.

There are simply not enough "show" breeders to have dragged all the hunting breeds, for example, down to where they have no birdiness left. In 2005, Labrador Retriever registrations were a mind-boggling 137,867. At a large upcoming East coast dog show circuit there are *79* Labradors entered. How on earth, can you blame "the ruination of a breed", on such a small segment of the total population???


166 posted on 03/20/2006 7:18:14 PM PST by Darnright (Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic.)
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To: brytlea
I gotta say that in my experience alot of the shelters do think they're the only ones capable of doing the job.

And to think that sometimes the only socialization a shelter dog may get is a single 5 minute walk outside it's kennel. Rescue groups have the volunteers with the experience and know how to give intense 1 on 1 socialization and training that no shelter could ever accomplish.

167 posted on 03/20/2006 8:22:04 PM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Darnright

We "suffered that mental illness" for over 25 years.

And, no; the dogs didn't bring in any profit, and we would keep any 'pet quality' pups rather than let them go for any price to a home we didn't completely approve of. Spaying & neutering was the rule, not the exception. At times the bed was REALLY crowded!

The point is, the puppy mill IS a "business", and avoids all of those expenses. That is how they make their money.

Stud fee? They own the "stud". Usually an inbred, 3rd generation grandson of their "foundation stock". Ditto for their brood bitches.

Feed? 500 poung bag of Skippy every six months.

Show expenses, local club memberships (wouldn't accept them if they wanted to join!) & breed-magazine advertising? Certainly not!

Prenatal care & supplements for the pups? Not likely.

Medical care? A gunshot to the head if a sick animal looks like it may not recover by itself.


I used to drive a dozen or so times per year past a "----- Kennels" near the OR-ID border. Every time I went by, they would have two or three breeds advertised, and sometimes, "puppies available". Never the SAME breeds, mind you. Finally, my wife and I stopped, to check it out, just to see what kind of stink we could raise.

Turned out the "puppies available" were THEIR show-bred pups, about twice a year; or, litters that were dumped on them. The rest of the advertised 'breeds' were county dogs for adoption, not sale. They (as part of their local dog club's project) were the unpaid, volunteer animal shelter for the county. Two separate operations on one large property.


168 posted on 03/20/2006 8:23:25 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Got an unbiased, objective source for this assertion? Links?

I am speaking from personal experience. Are you calling me a liar? If you wish to bring up facts, then why haven't you done so to support your own position?

169 posted on 03/20/2006 8:29:59 PM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: doc30

Bump


170 posted on 03/20/2006 9:46:30 PM PST by kanawa (Freaking panty wetting, weakspined bliss-ninny socialist punks)
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To: doc30; All
BTW, I hope everyone on this thread will read this:

http://www.naiaonline.org/body/articles/archives/humane_insane.htm

Shelters have an agenda, just like everyone else. I would like to think it wasn't so, and I am certain that many involved with shelters have the best of intentions, however, everyone discussing the issues needs to know things like how the statistics are figured. For instance if a dog is moved from one shelter to another, it is probably counted twice, and for the most part, owner requested euthanasia, euthanasia because of health or temperment issues and euthanasia for lack of space are all lumped together. That makes it difficult to say we have an overpopulation problem based on numbers of dogs euthanized by shelters, as they have lumped apples with oranges and pears.

From the article:

The answer for some shelters with empty runs has not been to contact shelters in their own regions or in other areas of the continental US, but to institute programs of importation from other countries and territories. According to their own records, one foundation, the Save a Sato 2 program championed by PeTA, has already sent 14,000 dogs to the US. Satos (a slang term for mixed-breed street dogs in Puerto Rico) arrive in US cities practically every day. Dozens of shelters are involved. Some of the shelters NAIA is tracking bring in 100-200 dogs each month and are placing them for $200-$250 each.

If we have such a huge problem that we must now regulate breeders, why do they have to import dogs from other countries?

susie

171 posted on 03/21/2006 9:49:10 AM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
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To: doc30; All

I just got word that SB 674 has been pulled for this session, altho it will be back next year.

susie


172 posted on 03/21/2006 11:12:52 AM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
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To: brytlea

Thanks for the heads up. info being shared locally as I type!


173 posted on 03/21/2006 1:59:50 PM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: sissyjane; brytlea; Calpernia; All

>>Thanks to everyone for your emails and phone calls on
674 - Diane Albers just received word from Tallahassee
that SB 674 has been pulled for this legislative
session. <<

From WORK_GOLD

WooHoo!!!


174 posted on 03/21/2006 6:34:13 PM PST by sissyjane (Don't be stuck on stupid!)
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To: HairOfTheDog; Darnright; sissyjane

bttt!

Good news ping!


175 posted on 03/21/2006 6:42:42 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: kanawa

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176 posted on 03/21/2006 6:43:26 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia; HairOfTheDog; doc30; sissyjane

Great work. When legislators pull a bill, it usually goes into oblivion.

Don't get too complacent, Florida dog lovers. The bill may find new steam next year. Don't let your guard down.


177 posted on 03/21/2006 8:01:28 PM PST by Darnright (Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic.)
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To: Darnright

And watch for your own states!

Mine already fell victim :(


178 posted on 03/21/2006 8:02:54 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Our state dog club federation finally, as of last year, hired a lobbiest. It's the best money we ever spent. We're Ground Zero for PETA (they're in Norfolk), and to add insult to injury, a couple of rich San Franciscans have moved to the state, and have been writing bills as fast as they could wield a pen. We got hit with 23 bills this session!

These Californians have decided to teach the stupid hillbillies in Virginia how to wear shoes. I fervently wish they'd GO HOME.


179 posted on 03/21/2006 8:21:43 PM PST by Darnright (Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic.)
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To: Darnright

We are still fighting a very large, corrupt, BLUE system. Our state is evil.


180 posted on 03/21/2006 8:29:18 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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