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V Is For Vapid (Don Feder Slams Hollywood Far Left's Paranoid Fantasies Alert)
Frontpagemag.com ^ | March 20, 2006 | Don Feder

Posted on 03/20/2006 2:27:38 AM PST by goldstategop

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To: goldstategop

"The movie projects the 17th century Englishman as a prototypical freedom fighter. In reality, Fawkes was a Catholic conspirator who tried to murder James I and most of Britain’s nobility by attempting to blow up Parliament in the famous Gunpowder Plot of 1605. His objective wasn’t constitutional democracy but a return to Catholic rule. But, then, Hollywood never did have much of a sense of history."

Today's left has echoes of that plot.

Look at it this way. What is one of the cases where the freedom of political speech should be denied? When someone wishes to use it to end yours. Period.

In a similar way, the English back then, who had been turning way from Catholicism, and more importantly, it's political regime, had to take steps to root out the old regimes political operatives. They faced being rolled back, and their freedom and liberty being taken away. Some people, anglo Catholics like Fawkes, suffered because of this.

So what was the Gunpower Plot, something leftists look back at fondly? An example of the real "rightwing" trying to get territory back. To me, that sums up what todays Left is about. They want to go back to the old Empire, just without its formal Catholicism. No thanks!


21 posted on 03/20/2006 3:23:17 AM PST by Frank T
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To: goldstategop

Hollyweird strikes again


22 posted on 03/20/2006 3:28:27 AM PST by Cruz
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To: chief_bigfoot
The vendetta behind film V for Vendetta

As this article shows, he doesn't like the film. Anyway, I may have spoken too soon - he may have been anti-Mrs. Thatcher...I'll double check.

Regards, Ivan

23 posted on 03/20/2006 3:29:00 AM PST by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: MadIvan

It was written as an anti-Thatcher graphic novel, and the reason he wants nothing to do with the film has nothing to do with politics. Check out this article from the Independent UK:

http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/article352247.ece


24 posted on 03/20/2006 3:30:07 AM PST by Very Goldwater
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To: Very Goldwater

I stand corrected. I was sure I had read somewhere it was anti-Michael Foot.

Regards, Ivan


25 posted on 03/20/2006 3:32:33 AM PST by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: MadIvan
Moore does not much like Hollywood and they made this movie without his consent. He thinks its utter rubbish. I completely agree.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

26 posted on 03/20/2006 3:32:56 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

The idea of turning Guy Fawkes into a hero is utterly barmy as well. There's a reason why we burn him in effigy to this day.

Regards, Ivan


27 posted on 03/20/2006 3:34:22 AM PST by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: MadIvan

Oh I don't doubt that you are right. I also don't doubt that M-TV wouldn't spin this to help their fellow comrades in Hollywood sell some tickets. I'm willing to wager that you are correct and they aren't.


28 posted on 03/20/2006 3:35:46 AM PST by chief_bigfoot ("isn't THAT amazing?" - Ron Popiel)
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To: goldstategop

***In the England of "V," free speech has been crushed. Conformity is ruthlessly enforced. Dissidents and non-conformists are hunted down and eliminated. Torture is a routine. Medical experiments are performed on undesirables. And "1984" indoctrination is ubiquitous.****

WOW! Sounds like Liberal Utopia!
Does Air Britain rob Children's Charities, too???


29 posted on 03/20/2006 3:36:38 AM PST by tcrlaf
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To: tcrlaf
It used to be called the Union Of Soviet Socialist Republics. The original Leftist utopia.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

30 posted on 03/20/2006 3:38:30 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

How about a movie (circa 2040) where Britain is ruled by Muslims and its (native) citizens are forced to live under the Sharia? You won't ever see that one, although it looks ever more likely every day. No, the boggyman will always be the conservative Christian who resorts to fascism to impose his will and morality on everyone else. You can argue that it happened once, although I'd hesitate to call Nazi Germany "Christian". The real agenda is to convince the masses that conservatives are the real villians. Only then will the way be paved for the Other to take over. Then Hollywood will find out what tyranny really is. Of course, those "courageous" liberals will be the first to lick the boots of their new masters.


31 posted on 03/20/2006 3:39:46 AM PST by rbg81
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To: goldstategop

What's funny is these Liberal clowns have NO IDEA that the world they portray as "Conservative", is actually the Liberal Utopia they are so desperate to force upon us......

Where everyone is a slave to government....


32 posted on 03/20/2006 3:42:31 AM PST by tcrlaf
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To: tcrlaf
The funny thing is this movie would have made a chilling allegory if the Chancellor had been a Bin Laden Imam and the UK Flag was Green and the loudspeakers called the faithful to prayers in the mosques. Leave everything else the same and portray the Bible as a banned book and then you've got a likely picture of the UK of the future. But Hollywood is not going offend the ROP TM on this occasion any more than they did when they filmed Tom Clancy's The Sum Of All Fears and changed the original bad guys, Islamist terrorists to white neo-Nazis in order to be politically correct. Islam is the one ideology no one is Hollywood dares to cross. In the back of their tiny minds, they're aware of what happened to Dutch filmmaker Theo Van Gogh. For all their pretensions to seek the truth without the fear, the reality is Tinseltown is populated by moral cowards.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

33 posted on 03/20/2006 3:48:40 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
The central mesage of V is simply this: "People should not fear the government, government should fear the people"

Flawed film or not, that is something we should *all* agree on.

34 posted on 03/20/2006 3:51:11 AM PST by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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The reality is the Left fears the people. And in THAT sense, the message of V is uncannily accurate. Liberals can't win in the arena of ideas and they can't win elections. So they have to turn to the bureaucracy and the courts to impose their agenda over a rebellious commons.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

35 posted on 03/20/2006 3:57:02 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: MadIvan
Alan Moore is a bit of an iconoclast, isn't he? (smile) I've read a few of his other pieces and commentary, and that continues to come through.

"The Watchmen" is a masterpiece, in my opinion.

37 posted on 03/20/2006 4:17:08 AM PST by Jonah Hex ("How'd you get that scar, mister?" "Nicked myself shaving.")
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To: MadIvan
The author of the comic book series, Alan Moore, has disavowed this film and refuses to take money from the proceeds.

From Alan Moore's interview at: at http://www.mtv.com/shared/movies/in...re_alan_060315/

Moore: I've read the screenplay, so I know exactly what they're doing with it, and I'm not going to be going to see it. When I wrote "V," politics were taking a serious turn for the worse over here. We'd had [Conservative Party Prime Minister] Margaret Thatcher in for two or three years, we'd had anti-Thatcher riots, we'd got the National Front and the right wing making serious advances. "V for Vendetta" was specifically about things like fascism and anarchy.

Those words, "fascism" and "anarchy," occur nowhere in the film. It's been turned into a Bush-era parable by people too timid to set a political satire in their own country. In my original story there had been a limited nuclear war, which had isolated Britain, caused a lot of chaos and a collapse of government, and a fascist totalitarian dictatorship had sprung up. Now, in the film, you've got a sinister group of right-wing figures — not fascists, but you know that they're bad guys — and what they have done is manufactured a bio-terror weapon in secret, so that they can fake a massive terrorist incident to get everybody on their side, so that they can pursue their right-wing agenda. It's a thwarted and frustrated and perhaps largely impotent American liberal fantasy of someone with American liberal values [standing up] against a state run by neo-conservatives — which is not what "V for Vendetta" was about. It was about fascism, it was about anarchy, it was about [England]. The intent of the film is nothing like the intent of the book as I wrote it. And if the Wachowski brothers had felt moved to protest the way things were going in America, then wouldn't it have been more direct to do what I'd done and set a risky political narrative sometime in the near future that was obviously talking about the things going on today?


Man, I may disagree with Moore on his politics, but the man is *dead on* here.
38 posted on 03/20/2006 4:27:04 AM PST by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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To: MadIvan
A little off topic but what you stated reminds me of Joseph Wambaugh and how Hollyweird butchered his novel The Choirboys. It was so bad he sued and won because of a handshake deal the producers backed off on. He disavowed the film and his name was removed from the credits.
39 posted on 03/20/2006 4:32:00 AM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: napscoordinator

$26.1 mil. (3,365 theaters, $7,766 average). And over 50 mil to make. Don't know about marketing costs. Numbers look kind of anemic to me.


40 posted on 03/20/2006 4:33:15 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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