Posted on 03/20/2006 2:27:38 AM PST by goldstategop
"The movie projects the 17th century Englishman as a prototypical freedom fighter. In reality, Fawkes was a Catholic conspirator who tried to murder James I and most of Britain’s nobility by attempting to blow up Parliament in the famous Gunpowder Plot of 1605. His objective wasn’t constitutional democracy but a return to Catholic rule. But, then, Hollywood never did have much of a sense of history."
Today's left has echoes of that plot.
Look at it this way. What is one of the cases where the freedom of political speech should be denied? When someone wishes to use it to end yours. Period.
In a similar way, the English back then, who had been turning way from Catholicism, and more importantly, it's political regime, had to take steps to root out the old regimes political operatives. They faced being rolled back, and their freedom and liberty being taken away. Some people, anglo Catholics like Fawkes, suffered because of this.
So what was the Gunpower Plot, something leftists look back at fondly? An example of the real "rightwing" trying to get territory back. To me, that sums up what todays Left is about. They want to go back to the old Empire, just without its formal Catholicism. No thanks!
Hollyweird strikes again
As this article shows, he doesn't like the film. Anyway, I may have spoken too soon - he may have been anti-Mrs. Thatcher...I'll double check.
Regards, Ivan
It was written as an anti-Thatcher graphic novel, and the reason he wants nothing to do with the film has nothing to do with politics. Check out this article from the Independent UK:
http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/article352247.ece
I stand corrected. I was sure I had read somewhere it was anti-Michael Foot.
Regards, Ivan
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The idea of turning Guy Fawkes into a hero is utterly barmy as well. There's a reason why we burn him in effigy to this day.
Regards, Ivan
Oh I don't doubt that you are right. I also don't doubt that M-TV wouldn't spin this to help their fellow comrades in Hollywood sell some tickets. I'm willing to wager that you are correct and they aren't.
***In the England of "V," free speech has been crushed. Conformity is ruthlessly enforced. Dissidents and non-conformists are hunted down and eliminated. Torture is a routine. Medical experiments are performed on undesirables. And "1984" indoctrination is ubiquitous.****
WOW! Sounds like Liberal Utopia!
Does Air Britain rob Children's Charities, too???
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How about a movie (circa 2040) where Britain is ruled by Muslims and its (native) citizens are forced to live under the Sharia? You won't ever see that one, although it looks ever more likely every day. No, the boggyman will always be the conservative Christian who resorts to fascism to impose his will and morality on everyone else. You can argue that it happened once, although I'd hesitate to call Nazi Germany "Christian". The real agenda is to convince the masses that conservatives are the real villians. Only then will the way be paved for the Other to take over. Then Hollywood will find out what tyranny really is. Of course, those "courageous" liberals will be the first to lick the boots of their new masters.
What's funny is these Liberal clowns have NO IDEA that the world they portray as "Conservative", is actually the Liberal Utopia they are so desperate to force upon us......
Where everyone is a slave to government....
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Flawed film or not, that is something we should *all* agree on.
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"The Watchmen" is a masterpiece, in my opinion.
From Alan Moore's interview at: at http://www.mtv.com/shared/movies/in...re_alan_060315/
Moore: I've read the screenplay, so I know exactly what they're doing with it, and I'm not going to be going to see it. When I wrote "V," politics were taking a serious turn for the worse over here. We'd had [Conservative Party Prime Minister] Margaret Thatcher in for two or three years, we'd had anti-Thatcher riots, we'd got the National Front and the right wing making serious advances. "V for Vendetta" was specifically about things like fascism and anarchy.Those words, "fascism" and "anarchy," occur nowhere in the film. It's been turned into a Bush-era parable by people too timid to set a political satire in their own country. In my original story there had been a limited nuclear war, which had isolated Britain, caused a lot of chaos and a collapse of government, and a fascist totalitarian dictatorship had sprung up. Now, in the film, you've got a sinister group of right-wing figures — not fascists, but you know that they're bad guys — and what they have done is manufactured a bio-terror weapon in secret, so that they can fake a massive terrorist incident to get everybody on their side, so that they can pursue their right-wing agenda. It's a thwarted and frustrated and perhaps largely impotent American liberal fantasy of someone with American liberal values [standing up] against a state run by neo-conservatives — which is not what "V for Vendetta" was about. It was about fascism, it was about anarchy, it was about [England]. The intent of the film is nothing like the intent of the book as I wrote it. And if the Wachowski brothers had felt moved to protest the way things were going in America, then wouldn't it have been more direct to do what I'd done and set a risky political narrative sometime in the near future that was obviously talking about the things going on today?
$26.1 mil. (3,365 theaters, $7,766 average). And over 50 mil to make. Don't know about marketing costs. Numbers look kind of anemic to me.
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