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Mr. Dell opens up about Desktop Linux
Desktop Linux ^ | Mar. 07, 2006 | Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Posted on 03/08/2006 5:49:56 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing

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To: antiRepublicrat

I'd chalk it up as lying. Knowing Turkey, that seems like the most likely reason.

I thought he said he was leaving? Must be a "last word" freak.


141 posted on 03/13/2006 6:47:11 AM PST by FLAMING DEATH (And now, for something completely different: www.donaldlancow.com)
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To: FLAMING DEATH

Flamer you haven't proven anything except that you completely approve of free technology transfers to China Cuba Iran etc, all of which have standardized on your free products, and that you will endlessly attack anyone who points it out.


142 posted on 03/13/2006 6:57:37 AM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
Total bull, operating systems are NOT commododized, else they would all be free like some versions of L/unix are.

Commoditized doesn't necessarily mean free. Sorry, I shouldn't have used such big economics words, as I already know you don't know what the broken glass theory of economics is.

143 posted on 03/13/2006 7:22:32 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Golden Eagle

BTW, nice shot at avoiding the subject, I didn't even notice it until I replied. Export controls as they were (and BTW they still exist to some extent) were hurting American software companies.


144 posted on 03/13/2006 7:24:51 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

Well I'm obviously not the "ideological" one here since I clearly support products that contain open source like Apple OSX or Sun Solaris.

I'm simply pointing out the dangers of "GPL" code like Linux, which allows foreign governments the right to take the entire operating system and rename and resell it under names such as "Red Flag". Why that causes some of you to flip out and assault me personally is the question, seems to be a very reasonable and valid concern. At least to anyone who isn't a Stallman "ideologue".


145 posted on 03/13/2006 7:28:59 AM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
GE Says: Red Hat has literally hundreds of kernel devs

And then in the same thread says:

no one knows for sure how many of their hundreds of programmers work specifically on the kernel

Hmmm and all of this on the same thread... thats called lying..

146 posted on 03/13/2006 7:35:02 AM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Commodidized would in fact mean free when the products you claim commodidized the market are being given away for free. So either everything is free, or it's not commodidized.


147 posted on 03/13/2006 7:37:41 AM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
You boys still haven't proven anything I said was wrong

My 137 shows you lying to cover your tracks. In the other thread you libeled another FReeper, misrepresented his positions and his posts, and still haven't retracted.

148 posted on 03/13/2006 7:41:50 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Golden Eagle

I've proven that you lie. That's all anyone really needs to know about you.

So, now, are you going to provide proof of your statement, made so many days ago, that I said Google was making an OS (not sure if I even posted ANYTHING on that thread...gonna check it out), that IBM was deploying Linux internally, or that Dell made Linux desktops? And are you going to try to prove your new lie, that is, that you proclaim to know my opinion of Stallman and presumably can back it up from anything that I've ever written here?

Or, are you going to just leave these latest lies sitting by the side of the road like orphaned children?


149 posted on 03/13/2006 7:51:37 AM PST by FLAMING DEATH (And now, for something completely different: www.donaldlancow.com)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Lying to cover my tracks? LOL, this is coming from someone who wants to give free software to communists and tries to constantly cover it up.

And I surely didn't libel that guy, he's so devoted to Stallmam he's over on other sites talking about "recruits" to "the cause", which I simply linked to.

But instead of admitting I exposed yet another looney fanatic, you accuse me of libel! Classic!!!


150 posted on 03/13/2006 7:52:02 AM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle

P.S. - Thought you were leaving?


151 posted on 03/13/2006 7:53:39 AM PST by FLAMING DEATH (And now, for something completely different: www.donaldlancow.com)
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To: Golden Eagle
Well I'm obviously not the "ideological" one here

You are the most ideological one here. I have to go to Slashdot to see anyone as ideological as you about software.

I clearly support products that contain open source like Apple OSX or Sun Solaris.

You've said you like the BSD license too, but that also allows China to download, run, change, redistribute. Sun's CDDL, which is based on the MPL, allows the same. The major effective difference between them and the GPL is using the code within a larger application. In that case Stallman wants the whole thing GPL, while the other three don't require it.

I'm really beginning to think that most of your objections and supports come down to ignorance.

Why that causes some of you to flip out and assault me personally is the question

Just getting fed up with the lies and insults.

152 posted on 03/13/2006 7:53:52 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Golden Eagle

"Stallmam"?

"tremain"?

You type carelessly when you're angry. Calm down and repeat after me: it's only a message board...it's only a message board...it's only a message board...


153 posted on 03/13/2006 7:55:29 AM PST by FLAMING DEATH (And now, for something completely different: www.donaldlancow.com)
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To: FLAMING DEATH

I'm going to continue to do what I've always done, which is to speak out against free software for China Cuba Iran etc, show links of them standardizing their government on it, then laugh out loud when you boys that religiously believe in doing it flip out and try to crucify me for pointing it out. Some things just never change!


154 posted on 03/13/2006 7:59:06 AM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: antiRepublicrat

"I'm really beginning to think that most of your objections and supports come down to ignorance."

99% of what he does comes down to ignorance. That's why he posts things he later cannot back up with solid facts. He states things as he wishes them to be, proof be damned.

I thought he was leaving?


155 posted on 03/13/2006 7:59:46 AM PST by FLAMING DEATH (And now, for something completely different: www.donaldlancow.com)
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To: Golden Eagle; antiRepublicrat
What does "commodidized" mean? Is this like commoditized?

I also don't get the use of disjunctive syllogism. Marx argued that only by making things free are they not commoditized, ergo, free == not commoditized. I would argue against that, depending on notions of what the exchange is.
156 posted on 03/13/2006 8:01:40 AM PST by dyed_in_the_wool ("O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends" - Koran 5.51)
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To: Golden Eagle

"I'm going to continue to do what I've always done..."

You've always lied?

"try to crucify me for pointing it out."

No, I just object to you playing fast and loose with the truth, especially when it comes to what others have/haven't said.

I thought you were leaving?


157 posted on 03/13/2006 8:01:49 AM PST by FLAMING DEATH (And now, for something completely different: www.donaldlancow.com)
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To: FLAMING DEATH

The truth is simple - you support completely free software for communist goverments, who are standardizing on it, and viciously attack anyone who points it out. Those are the undisputable facts of the case, and all the finger pointing at me in the world isn't going to change them.


158 posted on 03/13/2006 8:22:27 AM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle; Halfmanhalfamazing
LOL, this is coming from someone who wants to give free software to communists and tries to constantly cover it up.

Distraction won't work. Show me how you didn't lie.

And I surely didn't libel that guy, he's so devoted to Stallmam he's over on other sites talking about "recruits" to "the cause"

You continue the libel. "recruits" to "the cause" was framing another poster's political argument, in the context of saying that is not the way to go.

A parallel. Let's say Dick Cheney says "You have all these people running around in Russia saying 'I'm a communist,' and they'll fail because of it." You then say he's a communist using his quote "I'm a communist."

In his postings (that you linked to), he explicitly stated that he opposed the ideological and promotes Linux on its merits alone. In those postings he himself trashed Stallman and was attacked for it by the ideologues. How about this juicy one:

Stallman is a whackjob. Every time he speaks it's diarrhea of the mouth. Stallman's ideology is one of the biggest roadblocks to both Linux on the desktop, and OSS on the desktop. And when it's seemingly that we've come across one roadblock, Stallman erects another one.
Oh yeah, really "devoted to Stallmam." I don't believe you have even trashed Stallman that badly. Could you be any more blatantly libelous in mischaracterizing this FReeper? And his approach to popularizing Linux?
Being pragmatic and showing how linux/OSS is the superior product is the way to win this battle.
Oh my god, he believes his favorite product is superior and would like it to win fairly in the marketplace on its merits. Commie alert!
159 posted on 03/13/2006 8:26:47 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Golden Eagle
Commodidized would in fact mean free when the products you claim commodidized the market are being given away for free.

Nevermind. I'm not going to let you take this off on another tangent again to distract from the point that you lost.

160 posted on 03/13/2006 8:27:48 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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