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Linux Works Even for Total Newbies
Really Linux.com ^ | 2006-03-07 | Rob Milner

Posted on 03/07/2006 7:08:01 AM PST by N3WBI3

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To: antiRepublicrat
As far as wireless is concerned, my criteria is to plug it in, boot, open an obvious config dialog, input my wireless settings, and be surfing.

I agree. Once that occurs, then Linux will be acceptable to most people.

21 posted on 03/07/2006 8:51:28 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: N3WBI3

Under what rock do you find a total computer newbie in 2006?


22 posted on 03/07/2006 8:59:14 AM PST by Toby06
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To: cloud8
Be back soon

No you wont! 

23 posted on 03/07/2006 9:05:29 AM PST by zeugma (Anybody who says XP is more secure than OS X or Linux has been licking toads.)
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To: ShadowAce

What about Microsoft Project files?


24 posted on 03/07/2006 9:11:19 AM PST by StoneGiant (Power without morality is disaster. Morality without power is useless.)
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To: ShadowAce; Echo Talon
It's just a matter of doing things differently.

If you really want to get the full available power out of Linux, that's true. For many things though, a lot of the stuff works more or less like you'd expect. I saw an interesting usability study done about 6 months or so ago that had complete Linux newbies set up in two groups. This was done at a corporation that was wanting to switch over to Linux, and they were trying to find out which window manager they should roll out to newbies. One group had a default Gnome desktop, and the other had a default KDE desktop.

One of the interesting things that came out of it was that Gnome was more similar to MS-Windows for users, but it was more difficult to get used to. It seemed that because it was so similar, the small differences were more annoying to the users than those who used KDE, which has a much different look and feel. Apparently, because KDE was obviously different, users were able to more quickly learn the new ways of doing things because there was less expectation that they'd be able to do things just as they did before.

One major difference between MS-Windows and either window manager was the feature of multiple desktops. Having separate workspaces can be confusing at first, but once you get used to it, there is really no going back to a single workspace for everything. It's kind of like tabbed browsing. I can't imagine having everything in separate windows anymore. It just seems downright counter-intuitive to me now.

Not everyone is going to like doing things the Linux way. That's cool though. Those of us who do, and have found it to be a much more productive environment in which to work are just glad that we have the choice.

25 posted on 03/07/2006 9:21:41 AM PST by zeugma (Anybody who says XP is more secure than OS X or Linux has been licking toads.)
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To: zeugma
yea, one thing I like about windows is all my programs work easily straight away and i don't need "go between" programs to make them work. thats one of the main reason for me sticking with windows. Also i have Photoshop CS 2 and someone told me that doesn't work correctly with Linux
26 posted on 03/07/2006 9:27:21 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: relictele

Well, then, Mepis is just a short drive up the road for you.


27 posted on 03/07/2006 9:31:46 AM PST by FLAMING DEATH (And now, for something completely different: www.donaldlancow.com)
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To: StoneGiant
What about Microsoft Project files?

Personally, I've never needed to work with them. However, it is possible to read those files in Linux. I don't think there is any software that will produce *.mpp files.

There are project planners available for Linux, but they are not compatible with MS Project.

28 posted on 03/07/2006 9:32:08 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: zeugma
One major difference between MS-Windows and either window manager was the feature of multiple desktops.

When I do have to run Windows, I use a neat little tray program called VirtuaWin. It allows me to have up to 9 desktops under Windows.

29 posted on 03/07/2006 9:34:33 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: relictele

I have one computer that boots XP and Mepis, too. I went a little graphics crazy on the Mepis side, and now, even with 2gHz and 512 mb of ram, it's a bit slow. Of course, everything is transparent...window decorations, taskbar, terminal, etc. Even my start button now fades from black on one end to transparent on the other...

BTW, am I to assume from your nickname that you're a proud Fender owner?


30 posted on 03/07/2006 9:35:49 AM PST by FLAMING DEATH (And now, for something completely different: www.donaldlancow.com)
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To: antiRepublicrat

XP didn't recognize and configure my wireless automatically, either. But, having done it myself on two different laptops (one with a Linksys card and one with built-in wireless) with two different operating systems, I can tell you it isn't difficult using the "ndiswrapper" program if your card is supported. Not "plug-in-and-go", but much quicker than installing device drivers in Windows.

But, I'm not making any suggestions...just saying that if it can be done relatively easy in a few minutes, it might be worth considering...once you learn how, you can install pretty much any Linux you want that has ndiswrapper and get the wireless working.


31 posted on 03/07/2006 9:49:34 AM PST by FLAMING DEATH (And now, for something completely different: www.donaldlancow.com)
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To: Echo Talon
yea, one thing I like about windows is all my programs work easily straight away and i don't need "go between" programs to make them work. thats one of the main reason for me sticking with windows. Also i have Photoshop CS 2 and someone told me that doesn't work correctly with Linux

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "go between" programs. Photoshop CS2 , I don't really know anything about it. The GIMP works fine for the graphics I need. I've recently started playing with POV though. It rocks for making realistic models using raytracing.

32 posted on 03/07/2006 9:52:49 AM PST by zeugma (Anybody who says XP is more secure than OS X or Linux has been licking toads.)
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To: ShadowAce
When I do have to run Windows, I use a neat little tray program called VirtuaWin. It allows me to have up to 9 desktops under Windows.

I've heard of that, but in those really rare instances when I must use ms-windows, i'm not in it long enough to make it useful, as I'm usually just cleaning up virus infections from someone's PC.

33 posted on 03/07/2006 9:55:20 AM PST by zeugma (Anybody who says XP is more secure than OS X or Linux has been licking toads.)
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To: zeugma

POV :) you should try wings3d(its free), I have Rhino 3D its pretty good, Gimp is ok in a pinch, but not a replacement for Photoshop IMHO. Don't you need like "wine" or something to run windows programs?


34 posted on 03/07/2006 9:56:53 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon
You need wine or one of its equivalents to run windows programs. I don't have any to run, so I don't bother with it. I've got VMWare if I really need something. I don't really do much with graphics, so the GIMP works fine for my purposes.

Industrial Light and Magic uses Film-GIMP  for preprocessing, so it obviously has it's place :-)

35 posted on 03/07/2006 10:10:00 AM PST by zeugma (Anybody who says XP is more secure than OS X or Linux has been licking toads.)
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To: FLAMING DEATH
I can tell you it isn't difficult using the "ndiswrapper" program if your card is supported.

<Joe user mode>
WTF is "ndiswrapper"? My head hurts. What to do I click to get online?
</Joe user mode>

That's my requirement. Admittedly, Windows XP really didn't do this well until SP2.

36 posted on 03/07/2006 10:15:46 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: zeugma

another reason I prefer Photoshop to Gimp I know it better.


37 posted on 03/07/2006 10:18:54 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: N3WBI3
This brief opinion piece should not be construed as factual information

No kidding! Especially since Linux resellers like IBM and Novell haven't even been able to complete their transitions yet, and refuse to even give a schedule. How many years behind is that city in Germany too? Obviously even legitimate experts in Linux can't make the transition gracefully or timely, meaning anyone recommending it for "newbies" has some sort of agenda and is limited to opinion pieces rather than facts. Kudos to the author for admitting it, since most Linux pushers won't.

38 posted on 03/07/2006 10:28:09 AM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
...and refuse to even give a schedule.

Updated information

39 posted on 03/07/2006 10:36:54 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: FLAMING DEATH
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Partial threadjack - you are correct :)

40 posted on 03/07/2006 10:39:00 AM PST by relictele (No, I don't have a discount card. Yes, I know about the program. No, I don't wish to join today.)
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