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Linux Works Even for Total Newbies
Really Linux.com ^ | 2006-03-07 | Rob Milner

Posted on 03/07/2006 7:08:01 AM PST by N3WBI3

From our "Linux is for Total Newbies" series, courteousy of Robert Milner for reallylinux.com.

Still hesitant to try Linux? I'd like to share a revelation with you. See, for me, Linux adoption always seemed a bit of a battle to get out there on the desktop. No, I'm not talking about getting it installed. The major flavor providers have made stellar strides in set-up, making it a breeze.

Take a look for yourself at the powerful and useful features in Debian, Fedora, Mandriva, and SuSe.

There are easy to learn graphical interfaces like Gnome, KDE, or XFCE to name a few. Installation today is often simpler than any Windows full install. Therefore, no I'm not talking about installation and use. I'm talking about winning the hearts and minds of the Joe-average user.

Normally, when you mention Linux to them you get an expression on their faces as if you had asked them the square root of 232,543. They just don't know it's there. More importantly, they don't know they have a choice. Even though they are not necessarily tied to their operating system from one particular big, famous vendor.

It's with this in mind that I tackled an infected desktop PC and a laptop. In the interests of anonymity (and just to keep things exciting) I'll name the owner Jen.

Jen came to me with her desktop PC, that she had never been too happy with. She had described its erratic behaviour and instability and its growing problems. She had this machine built and installed by a self appointed expert. As 99% of you have probably guessed by now, it wasn't just infected, it was crawling with viruses and spyware. The laptop had been acquired from said expert and this time the advice was that Anti-Virus, Firewall, and Anti-Spyware measures were not necessary under Windows XP. What's that? Not necessary under XP?

If you have a similar idea, then please review a few articles like this and this to understand the dangers. And you may want to review this article to see the difference regarding Linux use.

It was at this point becoming a bit of bug-bear that I had to re-build yet another two machines that were so compromised and so infected. Besides, I had several major question marks regarding their licensing, making them pretty useless PCs. See, I'm the type of bloke that keeps my nose clean. I don't do piracy. When I told her the price of buying two replacement, properly licensed copies of Windows XP, she wasn't impressed, and suddenly much more aware of the true cost of ownership of proprietary software.

It is indeed expensive paying for your operating system in the hundreds. The point not to miss is that she did not desire to continue spending money on OS licensing and software replacements -- indefinitely.

So here was my chance to share an insight with her no one else had done. I told her about an operating system that was free, secure, and stable. One that would significantly reduce her fears of another infection and that would get the job done just as well as anything else. And she did not have to pay hundreds to own it.

I could see that I was challenging the MS comfort zone. To help reduce anxiety, I also mentioned that there was always the option to go back to what she was used to. And to her credit, she said yes, she'd try it.

For those who caution this approach, perhaps I should briefly explain. Jen is not losing access to essential files and software by making such a move. She will not lose access to her essential programs like Photoshop (Linux GiMP handles PSD files and with GimpShop you get an interface similar to Photoshop).

"Jen is not losing access to essential files and software by making such a move."

She will also have full access to all her Microsoft Office files (OpenOffice works without issue with ALL Office formats). Even if Jen were to use more extensive things like databases, OpenOffice.org includes database importing for ODBC and JDBC -- if she ever got into all that.

She doesn't throw away access to her DVD movies (a few great Linux players include MPlayer and Xine) and she doesn't lose out on access to things like her work PDF files. Moreover, there are plenty of well written beginner documents on nearly every Linux subject. Whew. Okay, hopefully the point is made. She can try it out and see whether she likes it.

So what happened? Now writing this some time after the event, I'm please to say: unabashed success! On both PCs, Jen has taken to Linux like a duck to water. Jen is now more productive, the machines are stable and have yet to let her down. She is spending more time on her computer. For me, what summed it up brilliantly was the unprompted praise as I got from her one night. She said, "That Linux thingy is much better than Windows."

The downside? I've created a Frozen Bubble addict. If you are not familiar with the game, you ought to try it. It's one of thousands (actually over 10,300) of exceptional programs that run on Linux.

And this takes me to the revelation. No, not the Frozen bubble bit. The fact that a home user who was only ever a through and through proprietary addict, so seamlessly migrated to Linux -- and enjoyed it. What does she get? Reliability. Cost saving. Security. And what do I get in return for sharing this? Less call back. Less fear of another clean-up operation. Warm cosy feeling. Linux works, even for a total newbie.

Linux. Try it. You might like it.

AUTHOR BIO: When he's not making a noise on the drums, indulging in surreal multi-media urges or helping on reallylinux.com, Manfromthezoo (Rob Milner) pays the bills by working in technical support for a U.K. Hospital, supporting thousands of users on different sites. This article comes courtesy of Robert Milner, published by reallylinux.com with permission.

This brief opinion piece should not be construed as factual information, and only contains the opinions and personal experiences of the author at the time of publication. Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds. Microsoft, Microsoft Windows and WindowsXP are trademarks or registered trademarks of Microsoft Corporation both in the United States and Internationally. Notations MS and XP are included and refer to Microsoft Corporation and Windows XP. All other trademarks or registered trademarks in this opinion piece belong to their respective owners.


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To: Golden Eagle
They found it a week ago, and they've had updated packages in place. I ran the online update after installing 10.0--running the update on security packages under YaST.

Second, it requires someone to be futzing with the mirror directly or the commmunication--you'd have to be running a defacto install with no security measures, and the connection to the specific server turned on.

Third, you don't have to run YaST at all to update--you can d/l the packages and install with KPackage. Or, you can d/l the packages to a local directory and set the YaST installer to only run from the CD's and the local directory.

Finally, you can put the updated packages that fix the problem. The updated pkgs came up when I ran my first update and they were installed. I suspect other Suse users did the same thing.

The problem isn't as bad as ones I've seen on my peers' computers--they get trojaned just by running the OS.

141 posted on 03/08/2006 7:01:53 PM PST by rzeznikj at stout (This is a darkroom. Keep the door closed or you'll let all the dark out...)
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To: rzeznikj at stout
when it comes from something that was free and then someone repackages it and tries to sell it without giving back to the free source--then it's at best unethical, if not outrightly wrong.

How so? Was it never actually "free" to begin with? Apparently not.

Even if they would have released the source in an unusable form (much like RH does with its Enterprise Linux source), I wouldn't have had a gripe, and I'd have paid for a copy.

Obviously they didn't feel they could afford to. Some have families, and a real religion.

This single incident prompted the Wine project to shove aside the BSD and adopt the LGPL for distribution.

Poor "winers", still probably signed their copyrights over to Stallman for legal protection. That's his little racket you know.

142 posted on 03/08/2006 7:07:49 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Toby06

older populations


143 posted on 03/08/2006 7:14:33 PM PST by birbear (You know what? This is crap. We're going to stop this.)
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To: rzeznikj at stout
Second, it requires someone to be futzing with the mirror directly or the commmunication--

You apparently didn't even read the advisory, or don't know how to.

Third, you don't have to run YaST at all to update

Yeah right, whatever, none of them are as easy as what I do now.

The problem isn't as bad as ones I've seen on my peers' computers--they get trojaned just by running the OS.

Probably do, especially if they're running some obscure O/S that relies on the security of something like BT to get all their files.

144 posted on 03/08/2006 7:16:23 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
So they did an unethical act by using other peoples' code and not giving anything back. If they would have posted their source as free--even in an unusable form, that would have been enough to settle the argument.

Much of their customer base wouldn't have been torqued off, and they could still sell their product. And I probably would have bought a copy.

The BSD license states that you can use licensed code in proprietary software. However, there is an implicit moral expectation that if you use code given to you for free, that you a.) at least give some credit to the provider, and that b.) give back something to the community.

And, if you want to talk about people who steal code, your buddies over at Micro$oft are the biggest offenders--and what they do is often outright illegal under state and federal laws--not just disregarding OSS licensing.

Finally, I'm not saying it was prohibited, just that what the developers did was an unethical act.

145 posted on 03/08/2006 7:23:05 PM PST by rzeznikj at stout (This is a darkroom. Keep the door closed or you'll let all the dark out...)
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To: Echo Talon

I still have Mepis on my machine as a second system. I actually used it to rescue my Windows system when the boot sector got corrupted. I like the overall smoothness of it, but my chief complaint with Linux in general is MIDI. I use my computer to make music, teach guitar lessons, etc. Linux and MIDI just doesn't work. I just don't get it. Windows works great with all sorts of music apps and so does a Mac. Why can't Linux get it together to support musicians? I mean, we're all a bunch of cheapskates because we'd rather spend our money on instruments, amps, and studio gear. We'd be a natural for a free OS.


146 posted on 03/08/2006 7:29:21 PM PST by gregwest
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To: Golden Eagle
No, you just cherry-picked from the advisory. How about these tidbits from your adulterated evidence:

The preferred method for installing security updates is to use the YaST Online Update (YOU) tool. YOU detects which updates are required and automatically performs the necessary steps to verify and install them. Alternatively, download the update packages for your distribution manually and verify their integrity by the methods listed in Section 6 of this announcement.

and:

Both attacks require an attacker either manipulating a YaST Online Update mirror or manipulating the network traffic between the mirror and your machine."

Clearly you have no clue as to what you're saying.

147 posted on 03/08/2006 7:30:08 PM PST by rzeznikj at stout (This is a darkroom. Keep the door closed or you'll let all the dark out...)
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To: gregwest

:) I play guitar too, although I haven't picked up my ax in awhile.


148 posted on 03/08/2006 7:36:14 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: rzeznikj at stout
If they would have posted their source as free--even in an unusable form, that would have been enough to settle the argument.

What argument,you said it was freely given away to others via the BSD license. Legally, these freeloaders didn't have a leg to stand on, and were actually hypocrytes for giving the code away to begin with.

if you want to talk about people who steal code, your buddies over at Micro$oft are the biggest offenders

Now you're backpeddling so hard your skateboard came out from under you. Steal code? Why would you care, since you want all code to be free, anyway?

I'm not saying it was prohibited, just that what the developers did was an unethical act.

We got it, don't take from "the community", unless you commit yourself to it for life.

149 posted on 03/08/2006 7:36:28 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: rzeznikj at stout

This is the part of yours I meant to post:

--you'd have to be running a defacto install with no security measures, and the connection to the specific server turned on.

Defacto install? Do you not understand how a patch process works, and understand no single one provides complete security? And of course it required a connection to the server, that's what you said you were doing, and obviously why I mentioned it. You must be trying to run these enterprise versions without paying for your patches. Since that's what you believe, verses getting all your updates for free, for the life of the product, like I get.


150 posted on 03/08/2006 7:45:05 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
The point is that if you run the updates, this isn't an issue. You have to be running something straight out of the box (read: not updated) and subsequently connected to a manipulated server to see any major damage.

I ran an update right after I installed mine. The updated packages are on my system. I imagine a good portion (if not the outright vast majority) of Suse users run the updates regularly and have the problem fixed.

You're obviously not reading my posts--just exactly how many times do I have to tell you these things?

151 posted on 03/08/2006 8:00:34 PM PST by rzeznikj at stout (This is a darkroom. Keep the door closed or you'll let all the dark out...)
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To: rzeznikj at stout

I;m still wondering who Iggle is being paid by to be a shill for something that doesn't necessarily need this vehemence.....

At least I HOPE he's getting paid. It's pretty pathetic if he isn't.


152 posted on 03/08/2006 8:01:34 PM PST by MikefromOhio (22,952+ replies - wow I'm talkative.....)
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To: Golden Eagle
Just because the BSD license doesn't explicitly prohibit it doesn't mean that it's sanctioned.

The point of open-source licenses of any kind is to give users and developers rights that most proprietary EULAs don't. Some of them explicitly prohibit the type of action done here, some don't. However, there is an implicit (and unwritten) understanding that the licensed product isn't going to be capriciously used.

153 posted on 03/08/2006 8:07:31 PM PST by rzeznikj at stout (This is a darkroom. Keep the door closed or you'll let all the dark out...)
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To: rzeznikj at stout

You have no idea what you're talking about, not only technically, but especially overall. Good luck in school, I actually feel guilty that you're missing your studies, wasting all your time arguing incorrectly on the internet, apparently not learning anything here, either.


154 posted on 03/08/2006 8:08:25 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: MikefromOhio
This is true...
155 posted on 03/08/2006 8:09:38 PM PST by rzeznikj at stout (This is a darkroom. Keep the door closed or you'll let all the dark out...)
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To: rzeznikj at stout
Just because the BSD license doesn't explicitly prohibit it doesn't mean that it's sanctioned.

Sure it does, ever heard of "law".

there is an implicit (and unwritten) understanding

LOL, more cultish double speak.

156 posted on 03/08/2006 8:13:32 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
Sir, I've explained why you don't know what you're saying. I've even pulled out quotes from the security advisory you shoved in my face that proves you cherry-picked your point.

Unless you've got something more intelligent to say, please do not post to me any more on this thread.

157 posted on 03/08/2006 8:15:32 PM PST by rzeznikj at stout (This is a darkroom. Keep the door closed or you'll let all the dark out...)
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To: gregwest
Linux is waiting for a gaggle of code head musicians. When that occurs, you will (again) see a burst of products that will mimic what is out there in Windows, thne Apple. However, some of my clients are very successful (small scale) musicians, one of them being a niche band called Southern Culture on the Skids. Rick (the lead guitar player and leader of the band) says he only uses mac for production/mixing stuff (he has his own studio, of course and leases it out to other aspiring Chapel Hill bands). He says the Windows stuff sux. I don't know anything about it, and he is the kind of guy who swears he can hear a distinct difference between his 59 Telecaster and the 64 model (he must have 60 guitars). People like that are detail - a - holics, and he might use a program just because of some widget used when mixing one track with another. Like I said, I don't know beans about it, but I thought Mac sort of ruled in the music community. Trust me, though. If linux keeps building a base (and they are) some kid who is an aspiring musician and a cs major will decide "I don't like any of the synth/mix/whatever programs out there and I am going to just code one for linux," and we will be off to the races. The big thing I like about Linux is that. There is the kind of passion that used to surround apple scruffs years ago. People are innovative, creative, dedicated, helpful, and (largely) knowledgeable.

I think MS is going to be in full panic mode within the next 5 years, if not sooner. This will be good for MS, Linux, and the end users. Not that MS will "go away." Ain't gonna happen, and I don't want it to happen. But it will either become like Ford and GM, a dinosaur relic whose declining market share is steadily chipped away until, like GM, it is forced to completely reinvent itself or go under -- OR -- it will return to a company where the words "creativity" and "innovation" are more than just marketing buzzwords.

158 posted on 03/09/2006 3:57:19 AM PST by When_Penguins_Attack (Smashing Windows, Breaking down Gates. Proud Mepis User!!!!)
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To: MikefromOhio

Someone paid would be slicker and more knowledgeable. I think he just has mental problems.


159 posted on 03/09/2006 3:59:35 AM PST by When_Penguins_Attack (Smashing Windows, Breaking down Gates. Proud Mepis User!!!!)
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To: When_Penguins_Attack

I have my reasons for questioning Linux. You can start with these links here:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x665385

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/05/technology/05systems.html?ei=5090&en=269f1a83d00e9e51&ex=1246766400&partner=rssuserland&pagewanted=print&position=

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1617712,00.asp?kc=EWNKT0209KTX1K0100440

http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3400071

http://ianmurdock.com/?p=54

http://weblog.flora.org/article.php3?story_id=552

http://zgp.org/linux-elitists/p05210612bb7d87639a93@[192.168.1.101].html

http://www.linuxlinks.com/portal/news/article.php?story=20050624042207848&mode=print

http://www.linuxpipeline.com/42700029

http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/5279

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7239

http://asia.cnet.com/news/software/printfriendly.htm?AT=39146335-39001094t-39000001c

http://slashdot.org/articles/99/11/10/1457205.shtml

http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/05/19/1213245.shtml?tid=106&tid=219

http://slashdot.org/articles/03/10/30/1435248.shtml

http://www.iranian.ws/cgi-bin/iran_news/exec/view.cgi/2/3822

http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-08-30-011-26-NW-LL-PB

http://slashdot.org/articles/03/05/01/1148227.shtml?tid=103&tid=99

http://www.zdnet.co.uk/print?TYPE=story&AT=2133230-39020381t-10000002c

http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,104039,src,ov,00.asp

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techpolicy/2003-10-20-open-source-mass_x.htm

http://www.newsforge.com/business/04/02/27/2329240.shtml

http://europa.eu.int/idabc/en/document/1736/531

http://www.osdir.com/Article8328.phtml


160 posted on 03/09/2006 5:42:14 AM PST by Golden Eagle
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