Posted on 03/05/2006 6:25:43 AM PST by LouAvul
I want to buy a Glock. Currently my semiautos are Sig 200St and two 1911s (both Colt).
I don't have a 9mm yet have owned several: two Browning HPs and Sig 226.
I've never owned Glock and am leaning toward a model 17.
The concerns with Glock seem to be centered on the fact that there is no external safety for a semi-auto that remains cocked and locked.
There are also concerns about firing out of battery/kabooms.
However, the latter concerns are mostly for calibers other than 9mm and models other than the 17.
One poster from another forum:
This is also anecdotally more prevalent in Glocks although I suspect the huge number of Glocks in service contributes heavily here. It's also heavily centered on the .40 caliber. The 9mm Glocks are almost universally - even by Glock haters - acknowledged as exceedingly safe (as far as OOB and kBs go) and reliable.
Different poster, same forum, different thread:
9mm Glocks don't seem to be a problem for some reason... I think a big part of this is that the 9mms were considerably over-engineered. I think a lot of that over-engineering is why the .40 could be shoehorned into the same basic design with only minor changes. And I think that loss of margin is why the .40s, seem to be so much more problem prone.
I'm thinking that since the model 17 is the flagship of Glock that maybe they've worked out the bugs.
My college roommate and I had a Glock. She was scared of it (yes, I know), so she kept the gun in her room and the clip in mine.
I hated it. It was a kiddie gun.
Intersting isn't it that the 1911 does not leave the grip safety to human error. It pretty much requires a hand in it.
You are either depressing it, or you are not. The chances of an accident involvolving the depressing of the trigger AND the grip safety, at the same time, are more remote then merely some cause, human, or otherwise, just depressing the trigger.
Glock has a number of safety features built in, one of which is the protrusion on the trigger that acts as a safety.
Glock says this is a safety. Not me. OK?
I'm not bitching at you, but I am trying to point out the differences in when it goes bang or not.
Yes, it's a safe. As long as the trigger is not depressed by whatever means. Trigger pull is typically the last step in firing a weapon.
One more time. It does not have the safety features of either a revolver, or a 1911! With the 1911, the grip safety has to be depressed as well as the trigger. With a revolver, it is going to require twice the pressure to depress that trigger.
And that's about all there is to it.
One more time. AD's are strictly caused by the user of the weapon. For whatever reason.
Bang! (now how did that happen?)
caused by the user of the weapon
Would you say, that the 1911 is not as safe as a Glock?
Including human error, the mother of all AD's?
Dude, I'm sorry. It's not as safe. Not when you consider the humans who use them.
Check out my home page.
You can't even unload a 1911 if it is in safe mode. Recently a guy fired off a round through his Glock in an airport that he thought was unloaded, while trying to show that it was unloaded.
It the safety had been on, that would never have happened with a 1911. He couldn't have pulled the slide back to prove it was unloaded.
I own a first generation glock 17. I bought it used. I've put more than 10,000 rounds through it. I've experienced only one faliure. The magazine catch failed. Not a single other problem with it. Always use factory magazines.
As for the kabooms. I'm getting more and more skeptical of them as I've yet to find a credible eyewitness to one of them. I havn't even seen a picture of one of them on the internet. The only ones I've heard of were internet gun gurus that turn out to be full of crap on enough other subjects that they hace no credibility with me at all.
And what might have happened when he realized the reason he couldn't pull the slide back was because the safety was on, took off the safety and went to pull the slide back?
Couldn't the same AD have happened?
And if he'd pulled the trigger, nothing would have happened.
Human error. The mother of all AD's.
True.
Safeties. The mechanical mother of human errors.
Can't always keep that child from doing wrong, but she does have some influence.
If he took it off safety, and pulled the trigger, Boom!
Might have been a clue that the gun was cocked and locked because he couldn't pull the slide back.
I don't think that's how it went down. He just thought it was empty, and pulled the trigger.
But again, if the safety was on, the trigger would not have fired the gun.
Rule no. 1: All guns are always loaded.
Rule no. 2: Never point a gun at anything you don't want to shoot.
That way, if you have an AD, no one gets hurt.
There are some awfully stupid people running around out there with all sorts of guns...including 1911 Colts and their clones and Glocks.
The stupid ones have an AD and hurt themselves or someone else.
The smart ones have an AD and no one gets hurt.
The lucky ones never have an AD.
And again, if he took off the safety to pull the slide back the exact same type of AD could have happened with the Colt as happened with the Glock.
Person's fault, not the guns fault.
The dummy never should have had a loaded gun in an airport anyway.
The real point is, if you have the safety on on a 1911, it won't go boom accidently by pulling the trigger.
If it is not on, well, kaboom!
But the Glock, in the same condition, with about the same trigger pull, will absolutely go kaboom! And there is no safety!
Putting the safety on the trigger is like putting the brake on the gas pedal.
Or as the Colonel says, it's like writing the combination on the door of the safe.
LOL!
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